June 23, 2005
SCOTUS: Your Property Is Not Your Own
Well, that isnÂ’t precisely what they said. A more accurate summary would be
“Your property is not your own if the government wants it for any reason –
including to give it to someone else.”
A divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private development in a decision anxiously awaited in communities where economic growth often is at war with individual property rights.
The 5-4 ruling - assailed by dissenting Justice Sandra Day O'Connor as handing "disproportionate influence and power" to the well-heeled in America - was a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They had argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.
As a result, cities now have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes in order to generate tax revenue.
Imagine that – these poor dumb citizens believed that they had the right to decide when and if they would sell their homes and property to private developers, and at what price.
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Rove Right
Karl Rove nailed
the difference between liberals and conservatives in the speech he gave at a fundraiser last night.
"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Mr. Rove, the senior political adviser to President Bush, said at a fund-raiser in Midtown for the Conservative Party of New York State.
Citing calls by progressive groups to respond carefully to the attacks, Mr. Rove said to the applause of several hundred audience members, "I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt when I watched the twin towers crumble to the ground, a side of the Pentagon destroyed, and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble."
The liberals, of course, are angry and demanding an apology.
Told of Mr. Rove's remarks, Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, replied: "In New York, where everyone unified after 9/11, the last thing we need is somebody who seeks to divide us for political purposes."
The Democrats are demanding a retraction, and are calling on the President to repudiate the comments. Strange, coming from the party that wonÂ’t repudiate Dick Durbin for comparing American soldiers to the agents of the most murderous regimes of the twentieth century. But given the continuous assaults on the President and his policies towards the forces of terrorism, I donÂ’t see RoveÂ’s comments as terribly inaccurate, despite what I will admit was a commendable and uncharacteristic pro-American stance in the short-term after 9/11.
And donÂ’t forget who the dividers have been in recent American politics, as collected by the RNC in a new commercial.
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While I admit this was a good political maneuver, Rove is just acting like the high school bully. He's flexing his military muscle cause he's got nothing else. He knows his policies at home and abroad are in a state of catostrophic failure. Dems aren't afraid to throw-down. We just think the Republican strategy of shooting first and asking questions later isn't any good. Look where it's gotten us in Iraq
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Shall we get that list of Democrats who supported on going to war?
Oh, Rove is a bully and not Dean or Reid? And Rove spoke up once after so many months?
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Klan Kover-up
The Washington Post recently expressed surprise that the white-sheeted history of Robert Byrd didnÂ’t hinder his political career and public image. Could it simply be that it has been
ignored for years by the mainstream press?
Sunday’s article, based in part on the senator’s new autobiography, details how in the early 1940s Byrd started a chapter of the Klan in Crab Orchard, W.Va., recruited members, appealed to the KKK’s national leadership and became the local “exalted cyclops.”
The story details how Byrd remained active in the Klan for longer than he has ever acknowledged and how, in 1945, he wrote a letter saying that he would rather die than see the United States “degraded by race mongrels.”
It was strong stuff. But surely nothing new, right? Surely the Post has covered that territory many times before, right? After all, Byrd has been in the Senate since 1959.
Well, actually, not. A review of the paper’s coverage of Byrd reveals that, on the whole, the Post has been extraordinarily reluctant to investigate — or even criticize — the Democratic leader’s Klan history.
According to a search of the Nexis database, since 1977, 32 stories in the Post used Byrd’s name and the words “Klan” or “KKK.”
Three of them were letters to the editor. One was a book review. A few were stories in which Byrd’s name and “Klan” or “KKK” appeared but were not related.
Such a lack of coverage by the capitalÂ’s paper of record could certainly be the explanation.
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June 22, 2005
ACLU -- No Patriots Allowed
You can be a communist, devoted to the overthrow of the US Constitution, and the ACLU will embrace you. You can be a Nazi, and the ACLU will leap to your aid. You can be a card-carrying al-Qaeda terrorists, and the ACLU will defend your rights. But if you support increased border security and the suppression of border-jumping, and
the ACLU will throw you out of the organization.
The board of a section of New Mexico's American Civil Liberties Union has been suspended because a member was involved with an alleged vigilante program.
The ACLU's New Mexico leader suspended the board of the state's southern chapter pending a new election, the Albuquerque Journal reported.
The move came after board member Clifford Alford was asked to resign because he was involved with a group that planned a civilian patrol of the U.S.-Mexican border. Alford refused to step down.
Since there's no way to remove just one board member the entire panel was suspended.
Alford claimed the ACLU did not talk with him about the civilian program. He said a group established along the lines of the Minutemen would respect the civil rights of any immigrant found.
ACLU New Mexico Board President Gary Mitchell told the Journal: "We're not going to tolerate anyone depriving anyone of liberty without due process of law, not going to tolerate vigilante groups on the border without speaking out against them, and without monitoring."
But wait – the Minutemen are not a vigilante group. They patrol the border and report border-jumpers to the appropriate immigration authroities. Their methods are those of your local Neighborhood Watch group. There is no violation of due process rights – unless one also believes that calling the police on someone breaking into a home is a denial of due process.
What has clearly happened here is that the ACLU doesnÂ’t like having its people stray from the bounds of knee-jerk liberalism. And while the organization has every right to determine its membership and officers, it certainly seem to be acting in contradiction of its alleged principle of defending political speech and activities which are protected by the Constitution.
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It is for reasons like this that I finally quit my membership with the ACLU (ICLU here in Indy). I'm now directing that money to the NRA and Gun Owners of America.
Disgusting pigs.
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ACLU is an appalling organization bent to destroy America through willful and purposeful actions.
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu Jun 23 02:42:28 2005 (s3tSI)
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Now, hold on, commenters.... Talk about 'kneejerk'.
You're referring to a WASHINGTON TIMES article that covers a NEW MEXICO event in just a few small paragraphs.
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But I looked at multiple articles on the same issue, and they are all consistent with one another.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44919
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/apminute06-20-05.htm
http://www.lcsun-news.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/133/16963
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LaCrosse - you surely cannot think I'm knee jerk against the ACLU. I was a freaking member for seven years for cripes sake!
I have, over time, noticed a strong tendency for the ACLU to respond badly to many things that I hold important. This is one of those things.
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Conscience Of The Senate?
Robert Byrd has tried to bleach his involvement in the KKK as white as freshly washed sheets. But letÂ’s consider
the simple truths about that involvement.
After decades of trying to dodge, deflect and denigrate questions about his KKK past, Byrd has now had to bring it up himself. Because he has written an autobiography — "Robert C. Byrd: Child of the Appalachian Coalfields," published this week by the University of West Virginia Press. But new and excellent reporting by Washington Post correspondent Eric Pianin revealed this week that Byrd's 770-page book still minimizes the duration and depth of his role in the Klan and his pursuit of the bigotry for which it stands.
Pianin reported that Byrd not only wrote Grand Wizard Samuel Green of Atlanta in 1941 to say he wanted to join the KKK, but he signed up 150 recruits to form a KKK chapter in Byrd's hometown of Crab Orchard, W.Va. Byrd has said he joined "because it offered excitement and because it was strongly opposed to communism." Byrd wrote that he was "caught up with the idea of being part of an organization to which 'leading persons' belonged." Byrd's book does not mention his1946 letter to the Grand Wizard, urging the growth of the Klan in West Virginia — written as a 29-year-old who'd begun his own political career in the state legislature.
Nor does the autobiography mention a Dec. 11, 1945, letter that Byrd wrote to Sen. Theodore Bilbo, D-Miss., Washington's most noxious segregationist, to complain about President Harry Truman's efforts to integrate the military. Byrd told Bilbo that he would never fight in the military "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours be degraded by race mongrels."
It is a cadence and eloquence — but hardly a sentiment — that rings familiar today to liberals who now cheer the anti-Iraq War flourishes of the snow-haired old man whom they hail as a hero and proclaim to be "The Conscience of the Senate."
Democrats keep insisting that Byrd has apologized, repented, and made amends. But given his failure to acknowledge his full involvement with the Klan and the time period after his (acknowledged) membership during which he praised and promoted the organization, I question the sincerity of the apology.
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Byrd is garbage. Until he apologizes and says he was wrong and that he held wrong views, he's out.
Notice how Republicans treated David Duke? He was a freaking pariah, and yet the Democrats LOVE Byrd.
Sorry, but this is baloney and they need to stand up for what's right.
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Even The Devil Deserves His Due
Dick Durbin made truly reprehensible comments about the military last week, and his apologies appear neither sincere nor complete. On the other hand, he, along with Senator Obama, is correct in this situation,
trying to help the widow of a civilian contractor killed in Iraq stay in the United States.
Because the couple had not been married for at least two years, and because Todd Engstrom was working as a civilian contractor in Iraq, Diana Engstrom does not have the rights given to widows of active-duty soldiers.
"It just shows you that when you have these laws drawn so strictly, you forget the human element," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. "Who would have thought when they wrote this law, that you'd have a situation where someone's married less than two years, dies protecting people from our country, but not in the armed services? The laws didn't consider those options, and that happens so many times when you're dealing with immigration questions."
Durbin and his Illinois colleague, Sen. Barack Obama, have co-sponsored a bill to grant Diana Engstrom permanent residency. Their legislation suspends the deportation process while the two senators round up votes.
In recent years, Congress has been reluctant to pass bills designed to benefit a single individual, and mostly they deal with immigration issues. Of the 132 so-called "private relief" bills introduced in the last Congress, only six became law.
"Generally, it's a bad idea to identify a single individual and do a piece of legislation for them," said Obama, "but this is such a heartbreaking story and it speaks to a lot of civilians who are essentially working on behalf of the war effort in Iraq."
Obama added that Engstrom case falls into "a gray area," since Todd Engstrom was a civilian acting as a U.S. military operative.
"We are going to be taking a look to see if we should be passing some more general laws to close this very narrow loophole," Obama added.
"In this new modern world where they're depending more on contractors, it seems that the intent of the law should include those that are in the war on the front lines doing the job," Ron Engstrom said.
"In my mind it is not a special consideration," he added. "To me it is a consideration that should be broadened to include everybody that serves in the war."
In this case I stand with Senators Durbin and Obama. They are right, and Diana Engstrom deserves to be permitted to stay in this country and raise her late husbandÂ’s son, just as he asked.
Oh, and for those of you on the Left, notice the source on the article -- Fox News. Just a little more proof for you that they are really fair and balanced.
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He's right on this one...but he's still a stupid cretin.
Further, a special law should not be written for this women. The law should effect ALL spouses of people who die in similar circumstances. Isn't it enough that they lost their husband or wife?
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In fact, our law office has proposed legislation to correct this problem for all widows. More information can be seen on our website:
http://www.tonkon.com/news/dspArticle.cfm?news_stand_id=AB1165C8-9050-48C1-B6189A59DFE34EB0
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The People Have Spoken – So Screw ‘Em
California voters passed a law banning the recognition of homosexual marriage as a matter of constitutional law in 2000. This spring, a bill to recognize homosexual marriage was defeated in the state assembly. But the bill has been resurrected by a coterie of homosexual legislators, who aim to attach it to another piece of legislation and thereby
overthrow the vote of the people.
Assemblyman Mark Leno, one of six openly gay members of the Legislature, said he has decided to employ a legislative maneuver known as "gut and amend" to resurrect the bill that on June 2 fell four votes shy of gaining the simple majority it needed to pass the 80-member house.
"My hope is that we will have a bill amended by the end of this week or the beginning of next," said Leno, declining to offer specifics on which legislation he plans to rewrite. "We intend to do this."
Leno's bill would have changed the California family code to define marriage between "two persons" instead of between a man and a woman. To bring it back to life, he can substitute his measure's language into a bill that successfully passed from the Assembly to the Senate.
If it passes Senate committees and makes it off the Senate floor, it would be the first time a legislative chamber in the nation had voted to give same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual spouses. The measure would have to return to the Assembly for another round of voting before it could be sent to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So what we have here is a legislative body preparing to tell the people of the state to go screw themselves, because the political elite knows better. Who cares about votes and the voice of the people – the agenda of the left must be imposed by any means necessary.
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The People Have Spoken – So Screw ‘Em
California voters passed a law banning the recognition of homosexual marriage as a matter of constitutional law in 2000. This spring, a bill to recognize homosexual marriage was defeated in the state assembly. But the bill has been resurrected by a coterie of homosexual legislators, who aim to attach it to another piece of legislation and thereby
overthrow the vote of the people.
Assemblyman Mark Leno, one of six openly gay members of the Legislature, said he has decided to employ a legislative maneuver known as "gut and amend" to resurrect the bill that on June 2 fell four votes shy of gaining the simple majority it needed to pass the 80-member house.
"My hope is that we will have a bill amended by the end of this week or the beginning of next," said Leno, declining to offer specifics on which legislation he plans to rewrite. "We intend to do this."
Leno's bill would have changed the California family code to define marriage between "two persons" instead of between a man and a woman. To bring it back to life, he can substitute his measure's language into a bill that successfully passed from the Assembly to the Senate.
If it passes Senate committees and makes it off the Senate floor, it would be the first time a legislative chamber in the nation had voted to give same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual spouses. The measure would have to return to the Assembly for another round of voting before it could be sent to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So what we have here is a legislative body preparing to tell the people of the state to go screw themselves, because the political elite knows better. Who cares about votes and the voice of the people – the agenda of the left must be imposed by any means necessary.
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Not So Complete Disclosure
Yeah, John Kerry did fulfill his pledge to sign and submit a DD-180 – but
limited the release of information to just three reporters. That means that the rest of us will never get to see for ourselves if what was released was complete and correct.
Senator Kerry of Massachusetts recently granted three reporters broad access to his Navy service records, according to documents obtained by The New York Sun.
The privacy waivers signed by Mr. Kerry authorized the release of "a single, one time copy of the complete military service record and medical record of John F. Kerry" to Glen Johnson of the Associated Press, Michael Kranish of the Boston Globe, and Stephen Braun of the Los Angeles Times.
The waivers, executed on a National Archives form known as Standard Form 180, also permitted release of "an undeleted report" of any discharges ever granted to Mr. Kerry. The undeleted reports would include the "character" of any discharge, the form indicates.
Last year, when Mr. Kerry was the Democratic nominee for president, some of the senator's critics speculated that a six-year gap in his service record indicated that he was disciplined or discharged less than honorably after leading antiwar protests in the 1970s. A spokesman for Mr. Kerry, David Wade, adamantly denied that the senator was ever punished by the military or discharged less than honorably.
The journalists who reviewed the records the Navy released said there was no indication of any discharge beyond the honorable one Mr. Kerry received in 1978.
One of Mr. Kerry's most steadfast critics, Houston attorney John O'Neill, said yesterday that the latest information from the Navy did not address the issue of whether Mr. Kerry's record might have been purged. "The real question was, was other material in there and was anything expunged?" Mr. O'Neill said.
The Navy provided the copies of the privacy waivers to the Sun in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
Mr. Kerry first promised to make public his full Navy record more than a year ago. Mr. Kerry signed the waivers for the wire service and the Globe on May 20. The form for the Times was signed June 6.
A spokesman for Mr. Kerry rebuffed a request from the Sun for access to the service and medical files released to the other three news organizations.
Would the release of the presidentÂ’s service records to three reporters known to be friendly to the Bush be reckoned as full disclosure by the Democrats? I didnÂ’t think so. So why should a similar release by Kerry be seen as one?
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Rassmann - Kerry Detractors "Can't Handle The Truth"
22 June 2005
Kerry's records should halt the hate campaign
Yet another political fantasy is playing itself out these days across the country on right-wing blogs and conservative radio and television. Now that Sen. John Kerry has released his full military files, his detractors can't handle the truth they tell. In response, the partisans are churning out more of the same deception and misdirection that they employed to such good effect during last year's presidential campaign.
But the records are clear. As those of us who served with Kerry in Vietnam already knew and have often acknowledged in public, the senator served honorably and with distinction. The records prove what Kerry said all along. There were no hidden bombshells, no contradictory revelations, as the right wing's conspiracy theorists so often alleged.
What the records show is an intelligent man who led his subordinates with courage and honor, which his superiors acknowledged through his evaluations and citations for valor. There's no denying it: Naval records, eyewitness reports, Navy investigations and even his detractors' own words 35 years ago support what Kerry and his previously released records have always maintained.
The release of these files should have put an end to our country's bitter return to the days of Vietnam. If nothing else, Kerry's detractors should have been humbled by their repudiation in the official records. But no, the partisan smear operatives just can't let go of their hate. They are hard at work inventing new fantasies and spreading new lies and innuendoes, trying once again to mislead the public. They now claim that Kerry still hasn't released the complete records, despite the fact that the Navy has said unequivocally that he has. For these people, the facts are simply inconvenient and irrelevant.
Those who supported and parroted the lies spread during the campaign -- in particular those who were part of the same unit but never served with Kerry -- should examine their motivations. At the very least, they should think about their commitment to honesty.
Jim Rassmann, a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, lives in Florence. He served with the Army's 5th Special Forces Group in Vietnam in 1968-69.
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Remember Christmas in Cambodia? Or the secret beret hat kept in his briefcase? And, oh, the release wasn't a complete full public disclosure.
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You Mean He Really Didn’t Violate the Rules?
So much was made of Tom DeLay’s travels and who paid for them how. It was alleged that Jack Abramoff’s use of a credit card (later reimbursed by his client) to pay for some expenses was a violation of House rules. But guess what – it appears that Abramoff and his firm were told by the House Ethics Committee staff that
such arrangements were permitted!
Internal memorandums and e-mail messages from the Seattle firm, Preston Gates & Ellis, say that the firm contacted two lawyers on the House ethics committee in 1996, when it began organizing large numbers of trips, and was told House rules probably allowed lobbyists to pay for a lawmaker's travel, as long as a client reimbursed the firm.
The memorandums and e-mail messages report that the ethics committee specifically addressed trips that the firm's chief lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, arranged for Mr. DeLay and other lawmakers to the Northern Mariana Islands, an American commonwealth in the Pacific that was among Mr. Abramoff's clients.
In 1997, a year after the firm's contact with the ethics committee, Mr. Abramoff arranged trips for Mr. DeLay to the Marianas and to Russia.
Mr. Abramoff also paid expenses for at least one other overseas trip for Mr. DeLay, a $70,000 visit in May 2000 to England and Scotland by Mr. DeLay, a Texas Republican, his wife and aides that may have been in violation of House rules. A House ethics manual issued a month earlier explicitly barred lobbyists from covering the travel costs of lawmakers, even if they were reimbursed.
Mr. DeLay, the House majority leader, has faced a flurry of ethics accusations involving foreign travel and his ties to Mr. Abramoff. Mr. DeLay's spokesman had no immediate comment on the Preston Gates documents.
The lawmaker has said he was unaware of the logistics of payment for the trips, including Mr. Abramoff's use of his personal credit card for airfare and other expenses, but always believed that his travels conformed to House rules. His staff has said that it understood the Northern Marianas trip was paid for by the islands' government, while other trips were paid for by a conservative research group associated with Mr. Abramoff.
Now yes, there was a change shortly before the 2000 trip, but in the context of the earlier advice it reduces the violation to one of negligible importance, on the level of an oversight, not corruption.
I guess this mud won’t stick, either.
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You Mean He Really DidnÂ’t Violate the Rules?
So much was made of Tom DeLay’s travels and who paid for them how. It was alleged that Jack Abramoff’s use of a credit card (later reimbursed by his client) to pay for some expenses was a violation of House rules. But guess what – it appears that Abramoff and his firm were told by the House Ethics Committee staff that
such arrangements were permitted!
Internal memorandums and e-mail messages from the Seattle firm, Preston Gates & Ellis, say that the firm contacted two lawyers on the House ethics committee in 1996, when it began organizing large numbers of trips, and was told House rules probably allowed lobbyists to pay for a lawmaker's travel, as long as a client reimbursed the firm.
The memorandums and e-mail messages report that the ethics committee specifically addressed trips that the firm's chief lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, arranged for Mr. DeLay and other lawmakers to the Northern Mariana Islands, an American commonwealth in the Pacific that was among Mr. Abramoff's clients.
In 1997, a year after the firm's contact with the ethics committee, Mr. Abramoff arranged trips for Mr. DeLay to the Marianas and to Russia.
Mr. Abramoff also paid expenses for at least one other overseas trip for Mr. DeLay, a $70,000 visit in May 2000 to England and Scotland by Mr. DeLay, a Texas Republican, his wife and aides that may have been in violation of House rules. A House ethics manual issued a month earlier explicitly barred lobbyists from covering the travel costs of lawmakers, even if they were reimbursed.
Mr. DeLay, the House majority leader, has faced a flurry of ethics accusations involving foreign travel and his ties to Mr. Abramoff. Mr. DeLay's spokesman had no immediate comment on the Preston Gates documents.
The lawmaker has said he was unaware of the logistics of payment for the trips, including Mr. Abramoff's use of his personal credit card for airfare and other expenses, but always believed that his travels conformed to House rules. His staff has said that it understood the Northern Marianas trip was paid for by the islands' government, while other trips were paid for by a conservative research group associated with Mr. Abramoff.
Now yes, there was a change shortly before the 2000 trip, but in the context of the earlier advice it reduces the violation to one of negligible importance, on the level of an oversight, not corruption.
I guess this mud wonÂ’t stick, either.
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June 21, 2005
Evans Condemns Durbin (Critics)
I guess that Dick Durbin is not the only member of the Illinois congressional delegation to be totally out of touch with reality.
Lane Evans has shown a similar lack of coherant reasoning.
Noting that Durbin was working with him to protect the shifting of 1,200 jobs from Rock Island Arsenal under this year's round of base closings, Evans blamed the Bush administration for "putting our nation at risk" by realigning the arsenal and other bases in Illinois "at a time when we are fighting the war on terrorism."
"That is why I condemn the rhetoric of those intent on destroying the character of Dick Durbin, a public servant who has given so much to our military and to our veterans," said Evans, the senior Democrat on the House Veterans Affairs Committee whose district includes the arsenal.
"This attempt by the right wing to shift responsibility and blame from the Bush administration to Sen. Durbin is pathetic and will backfire with the American people."
Would someone please connect the dots between the base closing and Gitmo? I don't get it.
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Party Of Inclusion?
Gordon Quan, a popular Houston City Councilman,
has bowed out of the 2006 race for the Democrat nomination for Congress so as not to jeopardize the chances of former Congressman Nick Lampson in next year's election for the 22nd Congreesional District seat held by Tom DeLay.
But as I read the article, I become more and more shocked about the nature of the Democrat Party, and the clear racial bias that exists there.
Quan, who had formed an exploratory committee for the 22nd Congressional District in April, said he wanted to avoid a "costly, divisive and lengthy" Democratic primary.
He said he conducted polling that showed DeLay has lost support among constituents and that he and Lampson had nearly equal support.
The district, which includes parts of Brazoria, Fort Bend, Galveston and Harris counties, is solidly Republican and has elected DeLay 11 times.
Quan must leave the council in six months because of city term limits.
Quan, who is of Chinese ancestry, made the announcement at Kim Son restaurant in Stafford, and said he plans to help bring out the Asian vote for Lampson. Asians make up about 10 percent of the district.
Now let me get this straight. Nick Lampson doesn't live in the 22nd District -- but his grandparents did. He does not own a home there -- his residence is in the Beaumont area, at least 90 miles from the Fort Bend County communities that make up the heart of the 22nd District. He used to represent a few Harris County precincts that are now in the 22nd District, but they were never a strong part of his base of support -- but his grandparents used to live in Stafford. The powers that be in the Texas Democrat Party have recruited him and anointed him as the candidate -- and did we mention he used to visit his grandparents in Fort Bend County when he was a kid?
Quan, on the other hand, is a well-known and popular Democrat who has shown the ability to win elections in the area. A Chinese-American, he is part of a community that makes up 10% of the district. He does not need to establish residency to run in the 22nd District -- he lives there. And he is running even with Lampson in everything but fundraising -- because the Democrat power elite put the word out that Lampson is the candidate they want.
So why dump the popular Asian-American local officeholder in favor of a former congressman who does not even live in the district?
And what would be said if this were the GOP dumping a minority candidate in favor of a white carpetbagger candidate selected by the powers that be?
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And These Folks Want Control Of The Budget?
This would be really humorous if it were not so frightening.
Broke and without enough money in the bank to pay its bills after the end of the month, the Florida Democratic Party has now been slapped with a lien by the Internal Revenue Service for failing to pay payroll and Social Security taxes in 2003.
The state party's budget and finance committee voted Tuesday to ask for a new audit to account for more than $900,000 it believes somehow disappeared from the books during the 2003-2004 calendar years when the party was led by Scott Maddox, who is now seeking its nomination for governor.
Maddox and successor Karen Thurman, who became the party's new chairwoman just last month, did not immediately return phone messages asking for comment on the findings.
"We're going to be on top of this a lot more than we were previously, not only in Scott's term of office, but Bob Poe's term in office," state party vice-chair Diane Glasser of Fort Lauderdale said Tuesday. "We weren't getting all the information we should have been getting." Maddox replaced Poe.
While the party owes roughly $200,000 in delinquent payroll and Social Security taxes, the lien was against the remaining $98,000 in their account on Friday, longtime Leon County committeeman Jon Ausman said. Ausman said it cost about $250,000 a month to pay salaries and overhead for the party operation in Tallahassee and that it had been spending more so far this year than it has raised.
So what we see here is that the Florida Dems have floated a $200,000 from the taxpauyers by failing to turn over to the government money held out of employee salaries for taxes. Seems to me that there is a serious issue of financial mismanagement and fraud here. Who is going to be the first locked up?
But it gets even worse, as the responsible officials in the party look to pass the blame elsewhere.
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Another Lesson For Senator Durbin
Just
a quick reminder about the Holocaust, that historical evil you minimized and denied last week with your comments on Gitmo, as well as the other government-sponsored mass murders you belittled.
Aushwitz. Bergen-Belsen. Birkenau. Buchenwald. Dachau. Majdanek. Mauthausen. Sobibor. Treblinka.
Ring any bells?
Those were true concentration camps - places where death crossed all human boundaries and people died simply because of who they were.
If you were a Gypsy, you died. If you were mentally handicapped, you died. If you were a homosexual, you died. If you were a dissident, you died. If you were a Jew, you moved to the head of the line and died as part of a program aimed at the extermination of an entire race.
Mothers and children were killed. Fathers and sons were killed. The sick and the old were killed. Babies were bashed against walls. Children were thrown into fires. People were packed into "bath houses" and killed by the score, after which the bodies were packed into ovens and burnt to ash.
The death toll in such camps has been estimated to be as high as 11 million people.
The Soviet gulags got started earlier, but their "best" years were between 1930 and 1950. Again, millions (estimates range from 20 million to 50 million) perished. One of the worst of these camps was a little patch of sunshine called Kolyma. Those fond of making comparisons might want to read up on it.
Minor aside: Given such numbers, one wonders why the term "Communists" isn't used more frequently since the Nazis were, obviously, a second-string operation when it came to slaughtering innocent people.
As regards Pol Pot and his merry band of killers, here's a bit of information provided by the Dith Pran Holocaust Awareness Organization:
"The Khmer Rouge turned Cambodia to year zero. They banned all institutions, including stores, banks, hospitals, schools, religion, and the family. Everyone was forced to work 12-14 hours a day, every day. Children were separated from their parents to work in mobile groups or as soldiers. People were fed one watery bowl of soup with a few grains of rice thrown in. Babies, children, adults and the elderly were killed everywhere. The Khmer Rouge killed people if they didn't like them, if they didn't work hard enough, if they were educated, if they came from different ethnic groups, or if they showed sympathy when their family members were taken away to be killed. All were killed without reason. Everyone had to pledge total allegiance to Angka, the Khmer Rouge government. It was a campaign based on instilling constant fear and keeping their victims off balance."
The death toll was 2.5 million.
When will you resign, sir?
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June 19, 2005
The Responsibility Of The Democrats
William Kristol makes an excellent point in The Daily Standard. It is not the responsibility of the Republicans to act against Dick Durbin for his reprehensible statements against the US military.
Rather, it is the responsibility of the Democrats.
Why not put the burden on the Democrats? When Sen. Trent Lott made a far less damaging, but still deplorable, statement two and a half years ago, his fellow Republicans insisted he step down as their leader. Shouldn't Democrats insist that Sen. Durbin step down as their whip, the number two man in their leadership? Shouldn't conservatives (and liberals) legitimately ask Democrats to hold their leader to account, especially given the precedent of Lott?
Yes, what is the Democrat Party's response to Durbin's outrageous words and his clear lack of repentance over them -- as evidenced by his non-apology which indicates he believes the comparison to the Nazis was appropriate but misunderstood? Do the Democrats penalize such Holocaust denial (for that is what his comments constitute)? We know that the Democrats still refuse to come to grips with the true nature of Communism and the murderous barbarism of that system. Yet one would have hopes that the genocide of six-million innocent Jews and the liquidation of six-million other innocents would still be seen as quantitatively and qualitatively different from the use of extreme interrogation techniques against a few hundred terrorists who took up arms against the US in a manner that violates international law and places them outside its protection. Will the Democrats in the Senate (and elsewhere) act to repudiate Durbin's minimization of industrialized murder?
Senator Durbin is scheduled to join Democratic chairman Howard Dean at a big fundraiser at the National Museum of Women in the Arts in Washington, D.C., this Tuesday. I assume he will withdraw from that appearance. But if he cannot appear with his party chairman, one can ask how he can lead his party in the Senate? And if he does appear with Dean Tuesday night, and stays in his party's Senate leadership, doesn't that tell us everything we need to know about today's Democratic party?
The GOP sacrificed Trent Lott for the crime of saying kind but stupid words to an old man on the occasion of his reaching 100-years of age. Should we not expect the Democrats to do at least as much against a senior member of leadership whose words clearly defame our troops, implicitly deny the magnitude of the Holocaust, and arguably give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States during time of war?
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Out Of Touch With Reality
Does Joe Biden really believe he would stand a chance, given his 1988 scandal and his later health concerns -- not to mention Hillary?
Democratic U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden said on Sunday he intends to run for president in 2008, two decades after he dropped out of the race amid charges he plagiarized a British politician's speech.
"My intention now is to seek the nomination," Biden, of Delaware, said on CBS television's "Face the Nation." He said he would explore his support and decide by the end of this year -- a sign the race may get off to an early and competitive start.
"If in fact I think I have a clear shot at winning the nomination, by this November or December, then I'm going to seek the nomination," he said.
Biden is the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a frequent critic of President Bush's Iraq policy.
Still, if he did get the nomination I think he would be an easy-to-beat candidate for the eventual GOP nominee.
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June 18, 2005
Strayhorn Announces
To nobody's surprise,
RINO Comptroller Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander Strayhorn announced her bid to unseat Governor Rick Perry in the 2006 GOP primary.
"You know that Texans cannot afford another four years of a governor who promises tax relief and delivers nothing," she said.
"Now is time to replace this do-nothing drugstore cowboy with one tough grandma," Strayhorn told a cheering crowd.
Strayhorn specifically criticized Perry for his decision today to veto the state's $35 billion education budget and call a new special session without having a plan on how to overhaul public school finance.
"A leader does not call a fifth special session — costing taxpayers another $1.5 million dollars — when he does not have a plan," she said. "A leader does not hold our children's education hostage and certainly would never even allow a discussion about schools not opening on time."
Strayhorn offered two specific suggestions on what she would do as governor. One is to pass her proposed program to pay for two years of college for every high school graduate. And the other is to legalize video lottery terminals with the revenue going to pay for a teacher pay raise.
Strayhorn has been able to brag in her statewide electi
While Strayhorn has done well in general elections in recent years, she does not have as strong support among GOP primary voters. She trailed Perry by 80,000 votes in the 2002 primary in number of primary votes received.
CAMPAIGN NOTE: I'm backing Perry -- please contact me if you are interested in supporting Governor Perry.
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So You Want A Government Run Health Care System?
Like everyone else, I complain about the medical insurance my employer offers -- it seems like premiums go up but benefits go down every year, and the plan that district administrators can afford is way out of the price range of those of us who actually perform the primary task of the school district -- educate students.
But I've never really been attracted to the notion of a socialized medical program, no matter how much the advocates of such plans waxed eloquent about the medical care in Canada, the UK, or the Soviet Union (hey -- I still remembr the discussions from my college days).
Articles like this one help me remember that such schemes are inherrantly flawed and riddled with inefficiency.
A HOSPITAL told a road accident victim that she would have to wait a year and a half for an NHS brain scan, but could have the procedure done privately at the same unit in two weeks, The Times has learnt.
In a case that highlights the crisis in diagnostic tests, King’s College Hospital, London, warned Rachel King that, because of “heavy demand”, the MRI scan that her consultant had sought could be delayed for 80 weeks.
But a handwritten note at the end of the letter gave a telephone number for the hospital’s “self-pay” private clinic, where she could have the procedure in two weeks for £983.
Ms KingÂ’s case is the starkest example yet of widespread delays in diagnostic tests across the health service. One in five trusts has waiting times of more than a year for MRI scans, and two in five have waits of more than six months.
A quarter of trusts said that 25 per cent or more of their scanning capacity was not used but lack of staff and resources prevent increased usage.
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June 17, 2005
Hutchison NOT Running For Governor
We Texans have been eagerly awaiting a decision by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison on whether she will run for reelection to the Senate or challenge Rick Perry for Governor.
Today we got half the answer. UPDATE --
This updated story contains more information and clarifies her Senate plans.
U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison announced today that she will run for a third Senate term, ending months of speculation that she would challenge Texas Gov. Rick Perry for the Republican nomination in 2006.
An e-mail distributed by Hutchison's campaign said she would make the formal announcement on June 27, when she would provide details on her decision and "why she believes it is in the best interest of Texas."
Hutchison had long been considered a likely challenger to Perry, who is seeking his second full term. He became governor in 2000, after George W. Bush resigned to become president. He was elected to a full four-year term in 2002.
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An Interesting Omission
I find it strange that
this Reuters article fails to mention the subject's most famous and influential client. Neither do
the AP or
LA Times articles on the case.
Imprisoned celebrity sleuth Anthony Pellicano was charged on Friday with threatening a Los Angeles Times reporter three years ago to keep her from pursuing a story about action movie star Steven Seagal.
The criminal complaint charging Pellicano and an associate was brought a week after a U.S. appeals court ruled prosecutors were free to use evidence seized by authorities during a search of his West Hollywood office in 2002.
A private eye for more than two decades, Pellicano, 61, is serving a 30-month federal prison term for his conviction on charges of keeping unregistered firearms, grenades and plastic explosives in his office safe.
Pellicano, a self-described "sin eater" for celebrities he was hired to keep out of the press, worked for such stars as Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor, Tom Cruise, Kevin Costner and some of the biggest lawyers in the entertainment industry.
The investigation of Pellicano was triggered by reports in 2002 that he had tried to intimidate reporter Anita Busch, then working for the Los Angeles Times, to keep her from working on stories about a suspected Mafia extortion plot against Seagal.
Quick -- who is the client that is left out of the article?
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Reveal The Name
Bret Stephens, a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, recently had a disturbing encounter with
a senior member of the staff at the German consulate in New York.
But the diplomat had no patience for my small talk. Apropos of nothing, he said he had recently made a study of U.S. tax laws and concluded that practices here were inferior to those in Germany. Given recent rates of German economic growth, I found this comment odd. But I offered no rejoinder. I was, after all, a guest in his home.
The diplomat, however, was just getting started. Bad as U.S. economic policy was, it was as nothing next to our human-rights record. Had I read the recent Amnesty International report on Guantanamo? "You mean the one that compared it to the Soviet gulag?" Yes, that one. My host disagreed with it: The gulag was better than Gitmo, since at least the Stalinist system offered its victims a trial of sorts.
Nor was that all. Civil rights in the U.S., he said, were on a par with those of North Korea and rather behind what they had been in Europe in the Middle Ages. When I offered that, as a journalist, I had encountered no restrictions on press freedom, he cut me off. "That's because The Wall Street Journal takes its orders from the government."
By then we had sat down at the formal dining table, with our backs to Ground Zero a half-mile away and our eyes on the boats on the river below us. My wife and I made abortive attempts at ordinary conversation. We were met with non sequiturs: "The only people who appreciate American foreign policy are poodles." After further bizarre pronouncements, including a lecture on the illegality of the Holocaust under Nazi law, my wife said that she felt unwell. We gathered our things and left.
Stephens, unfortunately, does not identify the cretin in question. Having remained mute and failed to adequately defend his own country in the course of the conversation -- lest he appear impolite, one would presume -- he now feels that to identify him would be a breach of ethics.
I disagree.
Mr. Stephens, your host crossed the bounds of decency, as well as of diplomacy. He is clearly a public figure, and a representative of his government. What expectation of privacy, of confidentiality, does he really have? You've disclosed the substance of the conversation, which did not occur in a professional capacity. How is disclosing the identity of the speaker a greater violation?
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Vilsack Expands Democrat Voting Base
It seems clear that Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack is looking to be on the 2008 Democrat ticket, and is making sure that there are
as many Democrats on the voting rolls in Iowa as possible. Never mind that he is overriding the clear intent of iowa law to do it.
Gov. Tom Vilsack said Friday he soon will sign an executive order restoring voting rights to convicted felons who have served their sentence.
"This action we take is not going to be a pardon," Vilsack said.
The governor said only five other states prohibit felons from voting after completing their sentences.
"We're here today to talk about justice," Vilsack aid. "When you've paid your debt to society, you need to be reconnected to society.
Vilsack said about 600 felons last year had voting rights restored, but he said it's a painstaking and time-consuming process that distracts the state's parole board and investigators.
Vilsack said he will sign the measure on July 4 with the symbolism of Independence Day.
Vilsack notes that his action will not restore other civil rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms. I guess he believes that these folks are responsible enough to direct the fate of the country, but not to carry the means of self-defense like a free man.
Stroke of the pen -- law of the land. Kinda disgusting.
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June 16, 2005
Lynching Resolution A Source Of Controversy
Let me begin by saying that if I were a member of the US Senate, I would have abstained from voting on the resolution apologizing for the failure of the Senate to pas a law making lynching a federal crime. I wasn't born at the time the laws were considered, and as a Republican I have nothing to apologize for -- it was a series of filibusters and other parliamentary tricks used by a Democrat minority to prevent the majority of senators (including all Republicans) from voting to make lynching a federal crime as asked by Republican a number of Republican presidents. That is why I'm not too disturbed that
a number of senators failed to co-sponsor the apology resolution.
Texas' U.S. senators decided against co-sponsoring a resolution apologizing to lynching victims and their families because of procedural reasons rather than any second thoughts about the measure, aides said Wednesday.
The decisions by Republicans Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn put them among the 17 senators who refrained from co-sponsoring the apology. It was co-sponsored by the 83 others.
The resolution, which apologized for the Senate's failure to enact anti-lynching legislation through two centuries, passed by unanimous consent.
Only about six senators were on the floor for the vote, which is not unusual when measures are approved in such a manner. Hutchison and Cornyn were absent.
The resolution was introduced by Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Democrat, and Republican Sen. George Allen of Virginia.
I'm sorry, the resolution passed was nothing short of a steaming pile of crap dumped on the graves of lynching victims. The passage of this resolution STILL fails to make lynching a federal crime, and so it is meaningless beyond a hollow symbolism. Any actual apology should have come in the form of legislation accomplishing the aim of the original bills that failed to gain passage -- all 200 of them.
Partisan Democrats are, of course, making hay over the fact that these senators did not co-sponsor the resolution. The irony is that one of them has paid advertising on his site raising money for Senator Robert "Sheets" Byrd (KKK-Dogpatch), whose previous career includes a stint as a paid recruiter for the Klan – and who has never publicly answered questions about his participation in lynchings, cross-burnings, and other acts of KKK terrorism during his days in that anti-American organization.
UPDATE: Two recent developments:
1) Senator Byrd has published his memoirs -- and still fails to come clean about the full extent of his involvement in the terrorist organization known as the Ku Klux Klan. Seems he is still in denial about its nature and the level of evil of his membership/organizing activities.
2) It only took a week, but John Aravosis FINALLY acknowledges that lynching is still not a Federal crime.
hadn't realized they NEVER passed the law. This puts the importance of the anti-lynching resolution in a whole new light. They NEVER passed the law, while lynchings continued up until the late 1960s (though, I'd argue, what happened to James Byrd in Texas a few years back was clearly a lynching).
When I made an issue of it in his comment section, noting that I'd been pointing that out on his site for a week, John did what any honest liberal would do -- banned me and deleted all my comments so that no one could go back and check. I guess he doesn't like having folks note that he is a John-ny-Come-Lately to the issue of passing an actual law banning lynching.
OOPS! My bad! He still hasn't called for the passage of anti-lynching legislation, but instead wants to score cheap political points over a do-nothing resolution that takes no action to actually rectify the Senate's failure to pass legislation against lynching. I wonder if it has anything to do with his taking advertising dollars from Bobby the Klansman's campaign?
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Silly me. For all of my life, I thought murder was already against the law.
Posted by: Darth Apathy at Thu Jun 16 10:41:15 2005 (y+kpp)
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Making something a federal crime doesn't make it any more heinous or evil...it just changes who prosecutes it. From my old AJ classes, I seem to remember being told that the feds don't often prosecute crimes that hold concurrent jurisdiction with state law because it would be too expensive anyway.
Better that we let the states arrest these low-lifes and imprison them for all eternity. Let the feds mind their own f'ing business.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 16 13:46:06 2005 (r/FBF)
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And hasn't Byrd repeatedly for like the last 30 years apologized for his involvement in the KKK as a kid like 70 years ago? While I may agree with you the resolution really means nothing, it is a nice symbolic gesture in the right direction. Has your president apologized for the 1,700 lives he has killed? No did not think so. Moreover, why is it only members of the monolithic White Christian Fascist Party that have not cosponsered the bill? COuld it be that they are all racist thugs who secretly with lynching was legal in their states...
Posted by: EK at Thu Jun 16 14:16:07 2005 (QFhP9)
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Actually, Byrd has never really apologized for his involvement, as far as i can tell. Rather, he has given a date for his resignation that seems at odds with later letters that express admiration for the Klan, has actively blocked civil right for blacks, and tried to put his KKK years down the Memory Hole by never answering the hard questions.
And by the way, EK, I think my explanation fits for the entire bunch of Senators who have failed to co-sponsor this meaningless insult to the memories of those lynched. And they are Republicans -- the White Fascist Party is headed by Howard Dean.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 16 16:49:48 2005 (fJogy)
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Ummm...EK...
The Republican party is the one founded with the main platform being anti-slavery. The Republican party is the one that voted for the Civil Rights Act (not the Democrat party - they almost 100% voted
against it). The Democrat party is the one that filibustered every bill they could that granted rights to blacks. The Democrat party filibustered every apology attempted by the Senate. The Democrat party is the one that tends to include former Klansmen. David Duke is a pariah among Republicans. An idiot running for office in some southern state that was a Republican turned out to be a bigot - the RNC openly endorsed his Democrat opponent...yet the Democrats stand by their Klansmen.
So why don't you get your facts straight and shut up until you do.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 17 00:06:34 2005 (r/FBF)
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Actually, the claim that you represent the same people that originally supported civil rights is fallacious. If you actually look at the electorate maps, you will see that the "Republicans" of 1860 are not the same as today's "Republicans." Party lines have changed; the groups and people that voted for anti-slavery laws were those who now identify themselves as Democrats - Northerners and the "Left Coast." It's funny how modern Republicans are quick to jump over the fact that the Civil War was based on states' rights (a Democratic idea at the time) and not slavery, but then go back and claim (mistakenly) to be the same party that was against slavery at the time. You may have the same name, but you aren't the same party.
Posted by: D.K. at Fri Jun 17 08:46:50 2005 (FJAxe)
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Actually, we are and always have been the same party, consistently standing for civil rights for over 150 years. Even as many of the Southern Democrats came over to our party, we held to our pinciples and insisted that they be embraced as part of the core of what it means to be a Republican.
The Democrats, on the other hand, remain the party of racial division and discrimination -- from slavery to Jim Crow to affirmative action -- pitting racial groups against each other as a means of garnering votes.
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The civil war WAS over state's rights, but the Republican party was the anti-slavery party at the time. Believe it or not, the war is not necessarily about the basis of the political party.
As for the rest - it's irrelevant...don't call the Republicans the party for slavery and bigotry and for time out of mind, Democrats have been the ones blockading civil rights.
Even today, the 'great society' crap is hosing everything. Rather than give people money for nothing, make them earn it...
let them earn it. Let them know the pride of a job well done - don't give them a freaking freebie. I'd rather give someone education than give them money. Make 'em live in dorms and go to school to learn a trade.
We need machinists, steel workers, accountants, lab techs, welders, and a ton of other things that can be learned in just a few short years - so rather than create a welfare state, let's get these people off their collective asses and give them something to do.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Sat Jun 18 05:08:43 2005 (r/FBF)
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And "states right" is not a racist principle -- it is a constitutional principle that dates to the drafting of that document.
Ultimately it is about whether there will be a huge centralization of government power, or whether the power of governance will remain diffused at the levels closest to the people themselves.
Sadly, some folks on both sides of the race issue have tried to turn it into a question of race.
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June 14, 2005
Cornyn For SCOTUS
It is not unprecedented for a member of the legislative branch to be nominated to a federal court – including the Supreme Court of the United States. One name being mentioned among possible nominees to fill a potential vacancy is
Senator John Cornyn (R-TX).
Senator Cornyn is currently a Deputy Whip in the U.S. Senate, where he also serves on five Senate legislative committees: Armed Services, Judiciary, Budget, Small Business and Entrepreneurship, and the Joint Economic Committee. He chairs the Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship and the Armed Services Committee's subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities. Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate, Sen. Cornyn served as Attorney General of Texas (1998-2002), a Texas Supreme Court Justice (1990-1997), and a State District Court Judge for the District of San Antonio (1984-1990)
As you can see, he has a wealth of experience as a judge, as well as experience as a legislator and the chief law enforcement officer of the state of Texas. As such, he has an excellent understanding of the roles of all three branches of government.
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Levin’s Judicial Principles All Relative
Just a reminder for all of you that Senator Carl Levin is not acting on principle when he opposes the nominations of judges to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.
His motivation sits a little closer to home.
Senator Levin is very upset that a particular Clinton-nominee never got her bench. Michigan Court of Appeals Judge Helene White was nominated by President Clinton to fill one of the open Sixth Circuit seats but was never confirmed by the Senate. So, like every nomination of a retiring president, her nomination was returned without approval at the end of President Clinton's second term. This is neither a surprising nor an uncommon result. Indeed, John Roberts, who served as the first Bush administration's number-two lawyer before the Supreme Court, waited more than eleven years between his original nomination by President George H. W. Bush to serve on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals and his eventual confirmation by the Senate two years after being re-nominated by President George W. Bush. No Democrat — be they Levin or Leahy — fought for his re-nomination by the Clinton administration as a matter of "tradition" or "comity." It is just part of the reality of electoral politics: with the victor go the spoils.
But John Roberts was no Helene White. He didn't have the singular qualification that could bring the entire democratic and judicial process to a standstill — he wasn't Carl Levin's cousin-in-law. You see, Judge White happens to be married to Senator Levin's cousin, a fact that Senator Levin fails to emphasize whenever he rails on the Senate floor about President Bush's unacceptable tactics. The real "fundamental issue" with President Bush's judicial nominees to the Sixth Circuit, then, has nothing to do with the prerogatives of home-state senators and the grand traditions of that lofty institution. It is that none of them can make a scene at a Levin family picnic.
But the filibuster, we are told, is the cornerstone of the Republic – preserving for lynching, racial discrimination, and nepotism on behalf of the Democrats.
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LevinÂ’s Judicial Principles All Relative
Just a reminder for all of you that Senator Carl Levin is not acting on principle when he opposes the nominations of judges to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.
His motivation sits a little closer to home.
Senator Levin is very upset that a particular Clinton-nominee never got her bench. Michigan Court of Appeals Judge Helene White was nominated by President Clinton to fill one of the open Sixth Circuit seats but was never confirmed by the Senate. So, like every nomination of a retiring president, her nomination was returned without approval at the end of President Clinton's second term. This is neither a surprising nor an uncommon result. Indeed, John Roberts, who served as the first Bush administration's number-two lawyer before the Supreme Court, waited more than eleven years between his original nomination by President George H. W. Bush to serve on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals and his eventual confirmation by the Senate two years after being re-nominated by President George W. Bush. No Democrat — be they Levin or Leahy — fought for his re-nomination by the Clinton administration as a matter of "tradition" or "comity." It is just part of the reality of electoral politics: with the victor go the spoils.
But John Roberts was no Helene White. He didn't have the singular qualification that could bring the entire democratic and judicial process to a standstill — he wasn't Carl Levin's cousin-in-law. You see, Judge White happens to be married to Senator Levin's cousin, a fact that Senator Levin fails to emphasize whenever he rails on the Senate floor about President Bush's unacceptable tactics. The real "fundamental issue" with President Bush's judicial nominees to the Sixth Circuit, then, has nothing to do with the prerogatives of home-state senators and the grand traditions of that lofty institution. It is that none of them can make a scene at a Levin family picnic.
But the filibuster, we are told, is the cornerstone of the Republic – preserving for lynching, racial discrimination, and nepotism on behalf of the Democrats.
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June 11, 2005
Do You Really Want Canadian-Style Health Care?
Do you think a single-tier medical system like Canada's is just what we need in the US? Think again.
It isn't really a single-tier system at all.
The supporters of our supposed single-tier health-care system are aghast that Thursday's Supreme Court ruling could threaten Canadians' equal access to treatment.
It is a long-held myth, of course, that there is no queue-jumping in this country. Most Canadians have no special privileges when it comes to receiving care, but some do. Military personnel, the RCMP, prisoners and workers' compensation claimants don't fall under the medicare umbrella.
So while the typical Canadian waits and waits for a diagnostic test or surgery, the members of these groups are entitled to speedy access. All of them are exempt from the Canada Health Act.
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...but RWR...*OUR* politicians are altruistic! *OUR* politicians have our best interests at heart! *OUR* politicians are somehow better than those in other countries!
Oh...wait...
Our politicians have legislated and regulated healthcare so heavily that it's five times more expensive than it has to be. Our politicians have convinced people that they have a 'right' to the sweat of the brow of another. Our politicians have made it so that doctors are quitting the industry. Our politicians have allowed the organization that licenses medical schools to deliberately limit the number of MDs that enter the marketplace, thereby FURTHER increasing prices.
It'd be nice if daddy (i.e. the government) would get the hell out of the healthcare market.
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Wanna Know What Democrats Think About African-American Democrats In High Places?
Just look over at
AmericaBLOG, run by gay liberal activist John Aravosis. There are a couple of good examples, from both John and his commenters.
I mean after all, what would be the reaction of the liberals if we started telling a well-respected GOP African-American female to shut up because she wasn't toeing the party line? Well, that is John's take on Donna Brazile, who gave a qualified endorsement of Howard Dean in an interview. But I'll concede, he has said similar things about Joe Biden and other top Democrats who recognize that Dean's comments are not going to help the Democrats win elections, so maybe it is simply that he likes Dean and is willing to help him pass the Kool-Aid around to the rest of the party.
But then there is the troubling aspect of certain comments that he allows to remain on the board. It isn't just that he allows criticism of people, but he implicitly welcomes racial slurs by refusing to delete them. Consider this comment from a thread about another post.
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Man you just can't stop lying can you, you miserable piece of fecal matter. Here is all of what he posts:
Here's a thought for Donna. If people are saying things privately, and you tell the press, well, they are not private anymore. And you feed the story. You get your name in the paper, but it doesn't really help.
So how about this, Donna.....Don't talk to the press about what people are saying privately. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to not say anything. Howard Dean became the story because leading Democrats talked to the press, just like you did today. There are a lot of things that people say and do privately that should be kept private. And for most of us, there is no distinction between public and private when it comes to supporting an aggressive, hard hitting and pro-active DNC Chair.
Gee looks to me like he is saying exactly what the RNC leadership has said for the last 50 years, which can be loosely translated as: "Let sleeping dogs lie"
Of course you, being the right wing smacked-tuches you are, you will try to interpret this in any manner detremental to the democratic party you see fit. Since when did the republican party sanction their members spewing what is supposed to be private, to the press?? Can you say NEVER you porcine snorkler of right-wing sausages
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I guess you missed this portion of the same paragraph you are criticizing.
But I'll concede, he has said similar things about Joe Biden and other top Democrats who recognize that Dean's comments are not going to help the Democrats win elections, so maybe it is simply that he likes Dean and is willing to help him pass the Kool-Aid around to the rest of the party.
In other words, I acknowledge that the post may be innocuous. I'm really much more troubled by the failure to delete the cited racist comment. You did read my entire post, didn't you?
I could go into other issues with that other site, such as the clear-cut bigotry expressed against Christians, Jews, and women (non-liberal females, at least) are all "c*nts" and like terms, according to a lot of his posters.
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you porcine snorkler of right-wing sausages
Oh, and by the way -- I just love it when supposedly tolerant liberals like you make use of derogatory terms for homosexuals as a slur while at the same time accusing CONSERVATIVES of being anti-homosexual. I guess, though, you've shown who the real homophobe is.
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Well there you go, first time I go for humor, you go right back to your liberal crap, and as we all know from your writing by now you ain't going for the laughs. Oh and might I point out you flaming homophobe I wasn't the one that mentioned that John is gay, makes not a whit of difference to me what his sexual orientation may be. You on the other hand HAD to mention he is gay.
The thing that pisses me off about you is that you have to have seen me write else-where and you should know that at least a 1/3 of what I post here is meant as humor, and all you do is respond by attacking me as "liberal". Further I am not the asshole that refuses to see a man can have an opinion when he was young, and have that opinion change as he ages( see your many asinine comments on Robert "sheets" Byrd) you miserable disingenuous cretin. You laughingly leave out the simple fact that Byrd while having been a "Dixiecrat" was man enough to stay in the Democratic party, after the civil rights act of 1964,and own up to the error of his ways, unlike oh say... Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms to name just two. Unlike those two aforementioned unreconstrucred racists, he admits his actions when he was young were wrong.
Oh and will you please stop with the GODDAMNED christian martyr shit, you god-o-philes have managed to screw up not only yourselves, but also nearly everyone in every generation you manage to procreate. Your constant whining about your alleged persecution as a christian is tiresome, it just isn't so.
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Humor? I didn't notice anything funny in what you wrote. And as for referring to you as a liberal, I can't help it that you take liberal positions and support liberal causes, which generally speaking would lead any reasonable observer to call you a liberal. If you don't like being called one, quit being one.
And identifying John as gay is sort of like identifying Jesse Jackson as black -- the man is a full-time gay rights activist, just as Jackson is a full time activist on behalf of the African-American community. There's no bias in noting that, nor any hatred or fear. And you were the one who engaged in the slur, not I.
Oh, and since you mention Thurmond (Helms was not even in politics in 1964), you do realize that he embraced the GOP position on civil rights after he left the Democrats, and was the first southern Senator to hire African-Americans in his Senate offices. Oh, yes, and one more thing -- HE NEVER JOINED OR RECRUITED FOR THE KLAN. If a Republican had the record of Robert Byrd, he would never make it into party leadership -- he would not be elected. Such folks who do manage to get nominated are repudiated -- witness the GOP rejection of and campaign against David Duke, even after he left the Klan.
As for your comments about Christians, insert "Jews" and tell me that such statements would not be anti-Semitic. You cannot, and therefore I stand by my observation, made on my old site, about your bigotry. Your comments are akin to those of a Klansman (not necessarily Robert Byrd) saying "I'm not a racist -- I just hate niggers."
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Tell you what "Mr. Know-it-all" Google the word "Dixecrat" and please tell me why Helms is mentioned in reference to them, in assorted articles?? As to my personal life, you schmuck, you know not a goddamned thing, you just think you do. Tell you what ass-hat I'll trade you a week of living with whatever disability your wife has if you take care of my diabetic daughter and autistic son for that same week.
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Nameless Coward -- I am quite familiar with the Dixiecrats, an organization which was still not the KKK and therefore its do not deserve nearly the level of contempt merited by the members of the terrorist organization Byrd joined and made money recruiting for.
As for the relative difficulties faced by you with your kids and me with my wife, I'll concede that it sounds like you've got a difficult situation. I watched my dear cousin grow up with diabetes and suffer through self-checks, injections pump implantation and surgery relatd to the disease. I've watched a different cousin raise an autistic son. I therefore have some inkling of what you are going through, and will own that in some ways you have it worse. You have my prayers, concern, and sympathy -- and I hope your daughter grows up to be a remarkably successful young lady (my cousin is now a hospital administrator, a Mensa member, and brought home a chunk of cash from a game show a few years back) and that some breakthrough rescuse both your son and my cousin's boy from whatever internal maze they are trapped in. And I wish you the strength to do what you must do.
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Dems To Dean -- Be Radical!
Having faced criticism from elected officials in his own party for his inflamatory rhetoric against Republicans, Howard Dean has now gotten some
positive feedback from the grassroots.
After a meeting of the DNC's 40-member executive committee at a downtown hotel, members said Dean was doing exactly what they elected him to do -- build the party in all states and aggressively challenge Republicans.
``I hope Governor Dean will remember that he didn't get elected to be a wimp,'' said DNC member Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a South Carolina state representative. ``We have been waiting a long time for someone to stand up for Democrats.''
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However, one sad thing, tho. Grassroots are not considered as the majority in the Democratic stronghold.
Anyone for pot?
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Microsoft To Chinese -- "No Freedom For You!"
No "democracy", either. And forget about using
other phrases that might upset the Red Chinese dictators.
Microsoft's new Chinese internet portal has banned the words "democracy" and "freedom" from parts of its website in an apparent effort to avoid offending Beijing's political censors.
Users of the joint-venture portal, formally launched last month, have been blocked from using a range of potentially sensitive words to label personal websites they create using its free online blog service, MSN Spaces.
Attempts to input words in Chinese such as "democracy" prompted an error message from the site: "This item contains forbidden speech. Please delete the forbidden speech from this item." Other phrases banned included the Chinese for "demonstration", "democratic movement" and "Taiwan independence".
It was possible to enter such words within blogs created using MSN Spaces, but the move to block them from the more visible section of the site highlights the willingness of some foreign internet companies to tailor their services to avoid upseting China's Communist government.
Beijing has long sought to limit political debate on the internet and is in the throes of a campaign to force anybody who operates a website to register with the central government.
So we see which side the world's largest software giant is on. When it has to choose between profits and principle, it chooses profits. Never mind if doing so helps to perpetuate slavery for a fifth of the world's population.
I'm curious, Bill -- would you have collaborated in blocking any mention of "Jew", "concentration camp", "Final Solution" and "Auschwitz" from your sites in Germany for fear of disrupting your business ties with the Nazis?
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Capitalism and communism do not go well together. It's one or the other. The former will most likely quash any communist ideals.
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I think it is only a matter of time before things come to a head in China. And when it does companies like Microsoft will regret their investment there.
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Whose Fault Is It?
Well, Dick Durbin knows who is at fault for the controversy over Democrat National Committee Chairman Howard Deans recent extremist comments attacking and insulting Republicans.
The news media!
The No. 2 Democrat in the Senate yesterday blamed "the right wing" and elements of the press "in service to it" for repeating Howard Dean's remarks about Republicans and inflating them out of proportion.
"I think we all understand what's happening with you all," said Senate Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, in remarks echoing Hillary Rodham Clinton's blaming a "vast right-wing conspiracy" for her husband's legal-ethical woes.
"The right wing has got the agenda moving. Fox [News Channel] and everybody's got the agenda. It's all about Howard Dean. You've bought into it," Mr. Durbin said.
"You can't let up on it. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves."
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While I'm not "blaming the media" there is a degree in truth in that the media will report only on what it wants to. For example, can you list the other topics that Dean spoke on or only the few words (most were not even the full sentences) the medai chose to broadcast??
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Only when the comments in questiona are racist and vindinctive do the MSM report them.
I can't remember, whether it's my selective thinking or not (i.e. at fault), anything positive that Dean spoke about America and its people. Maybe that's why.
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And now, get this, the MSM is simply horrified that one of Foxnews anchor/reporter had to ask a clarifying question to Dean whether he hates white Christians (e.g. "I hate Republicans").
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002708.htm
I actually laughed over this one today. Imagine. A cadre of MSM reporters shocked by Wilson's action to get his question heard....loudly, I might add. Reminds me of Dan Rather in his younger days.
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A memory is coming in - it's...it's...DAN QUAYLE!
They're griping about what the media say about Howard Dean? So was Dan Quayle equally unfair?
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Of course the treatment of Dan Quayle was not unfair. I mean -- he was a Republican, and therefore evil and deserving of all the mistreatment, misrepresentation and mischaracterization he got.
And the fact that much of what he said was also correct made such treatment mandatory -- after all, the Left cannot allow a conservative Republican to ever be depicted as the voice of reason and truth. That role is reserved for the conscience of the Senate, the distinguished KKK recruiter from West Virginia.
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Justice For Janice Rogers Brown
At last,
one of the best judges in the country has been confirmed to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. What's more, there are other judicial nominees who will be confirmed soon.
The Senate on Wednesday confirmed California judge Janice Rogers Brown for the federal appeals court, ending a two-year battle filled with accusations of racism and sexism and shadowed by a dispute over Democratic blocking tactics.
Senators quickly followed by ending another long-term filibuster, clearing the way for a vote Thursday on former Alabama Attorney General William Pryor as outlined in an agreement last month that averted a showdown that could have brought Senate action to a halt.
After giving Pryor a final vote and confirming two Michigan nominees to other appeals court posts, senators plan to leave President Bush's other controversial nominees dangling, moving on to other matters after devoting a month to historic but exhausting debate over judges.
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Not a legitimate case?
So Pryor ruling repeatedly against gay citizens every chance he got, even publishing anti-gay tirades over cases that never entered his court doesn't mark him as an extremist.
I surely hope you're not being a hypocrite and would equally agree that there was no extremism present in a nominee that did exactly the same thing to Christians.
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Dolphin: The fact that it bothers him doesn't make him an extremist. It just means it bothers him.
Following your logic, every single politician and judge that is a significant advocate for gun control is an extremist.
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Dangit - that was Subjugator.
I use a different ID on another blog and accidentally signed off as that here.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 05:42:07 2005 (lkCzp)
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I disagree. When a judge goes out of his way and out of his job to attack an entire population of US citizens it makes him an extremist.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 06:28:34 2005 (fgsGh)
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Define 'attack'.
Democrat judges and politicians consistently attack HUGE populations.
If you like guns, you're a redneck, a caveman, or a 'gun nut'.
If you oppose "reasonable" gun control, you're a "gun nut". Funny that the slippery slope argument has proven to be true with gun control. Every year it's just a little bit more "reasonable" control. "All we're asking for is
x", but then next year, they want
x AND
y. The year after that, it's even more.
So yes, following your logic, most Democrat politicians and judges are extremists.
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Democratic politicians and judges are not denying the humanity of gun-owners however. Therein lies the difference.
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Got any quotes where he called homosexuals inhuman?
Bartleby
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Oops...
One more thing...I'll tend to agree with you if you can.
Sub (NOT BARTLEBY! GAH!)
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Marriage is a human right, he argues that gay people don't deserve marriage. An entity that does not deserve a human right is not a human by definition.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 09:38:36 2005 (fgsGh)
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OK - we disagree here. I do not believe that marriage is a human right. I don't believe it is something that governments should even acknowledge.
Bartleby
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To help make it a little clearer. Pryor (as AG) put links to anti-gay sites on the STATE WEBSITE for Alambama. I think that's completely inappropriate, regardless of your views.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 11:24:43 2005 (4CZkM)
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Marriage is a human right -- but marriage is also something that, by definition, is between a man and a woman.
That is where your whole argument falls apart, as you fail to take the mandatory first step -- proving that your revision of the definition of marriage that has been applied for the last couple millenia is correct and that the traditional one is wrong. You start with that as a given, rather than your initial assertion to be proved, and therefore convince no one of the rest of your argument.
And from there, the argument about Pryor (and the rest of us opposed to government recognition of homosexual marriage) falls apart. Disagreeing with a point of your argument does not mean that we don't believe you are a human being -- it merely means that we believe you to be a human being who is wrong in his position on the issue at hand.
And then to start with
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Oh, and by the way -- your definition of "anti-gay websites" tends to be pretty extremist in and of itself. You have labeled this site as such, due to the fact that I have the audacity to disagree with you on the issue of homosexual marriage. Therefore I am inclined to argue that such links are not only not inappropriate, but are probably mainstream sites that would be acceptable to the majority of Americans -- and certainly the majority of Alabamans.
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I'd like to see what you label as an anti-gay site Dolphin. I don't think RWR is anti-gay...and if you think his site is anti-gay, then we may disagree on others as well.
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Subjugator, I'm Deaf first of all. Pryor is pretty much anti-disabled.
It's a setback -- certainly a huge setback.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Thu Jun 9 13:35:26 2005 (ODDFf)
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Actually RWR, we've been through this a million and one times. You know that your "traditional marriage" have been constantly changing and evolving throughout history and cultures and at various points throughout history and cultures has even contained the very same definition you now feel so threatened by.
Sub:
To answer your question, one of the sites that Pryor linked to was the Family Research Council (www.frc.org). While RWR may consider this group to be "mainstream" and "acceptable to the majority of Americans" I do not and I believe a look at the site speaks for itself. Aside from being a blantantly religous site, and being blantantly anti-gay (in fact a major stated purpose of the FRC is to stop marriage equality), the president of FRC has confirmed KKK links.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 13:51:29 2005 (MIt/1)
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Interestingly enough, your assertion doesn't make it fact, dolphin. And while there may have been relatively small modifications, one thing has been a constant -- that marriage is between members of the opposite sex, not the same.
Also, I think your assertion that the FRC is a hate group is proof that your defingition of "anti-gay hate group" is "anyone who disagrees with dolphin on gay issues." And the documented Klan links" consist of renting David Duke's mailing list and speaking to a conservative citizen's group that has its roots in groups opposing integration. Unfortunately, though, that would also require you to state that many Democrats, including the homosexual friendly Dick Gephardt, also have documented links to the KKK.
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The links go beyond that and you know it.
Like I said, I'll let the FRC site speak for itself. They are a well known anti-gay organization and I am by far not the first person to assign that designation to the organization. The fact that you honestly think they are an appropriate "resource" for the government to link to scares me about the fate of this country should people like you get hold of it and quite frankly knocks down much of the respect I once held you in.
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Actually, I know no such thing. Care to document them.
And you are right -- others have made the same statement about them -- and they are wrong.
Or does the fact that some have made statements about the ACLU and NAACP which call them extremist and anti-American make such charges true? And are such labels a legitimate basis for banning them from governemnt websites?
What you and yoiur ilk engage in is nothing more than a left-wing form of McCarthyism.
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First of all, I don't call anybody Anti-American, that's the tatic of the right. mcconnel is a good example since we're on this site.
Like I said, the site speaks for itself. I don't have to defend my views of it, it's all there.
Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 03:57:13 2005 (fgsGh)
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Here's another that speaks for itself:
www.afa.net
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Which of course is essentially a carbon copy of FRC anyways.
Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 03:58:32 2005 (fgsGh)
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dolphin, give an example of my "anti-American" posts. I'm curious.
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First, dolphin, are you not familiar with the concept of analogy? I was seeking to copare the different charges made by extremists against mainstream organizations -- the NAACP, ACLU, FRC, and AFA.
But as I've thought about it, it seems clear to me that your statements above (linking folks to the Klan, labeling groups as hate groups, and as found on another thread, saying that right-wingers have made this country stand for something other than freedom) really are accusations that conservatives and their organizations are anti-American. You just lack the integrity and testicular fortitude to come out and say it.
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Oh, and here's that thread, down near the bottom.
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/086019.php
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Hi Dolphin,
I checked out the FRC website and cannot say that I find it to be inherently bigoted. Instead I would say that I find it to be religion oriented and that part of their beliefs is that marriage is between a man and a woman.
While I don't care who marries whom, I don't find it to be bigoted to say that marriage is a religious bond that was formed by Christianity and that such omits same-sex pairings.
What I *am* curious to find out is if RWR et al would mind some other form of legislated domestic pairing for homosexuals.
...well?
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 10 06:41:45 2005 (lkCzp)
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Hate = Anything Dolphin Doesn't Agree With.
Posted by: Hube at Fri Jun 10 08:41:38 2005 (SlnGf)
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Hube - that is starting to sound like a theme. RWR doesn't sound like a person driven by hate, but of logic and a consistent belief system.
While my Christian beliefs don't match his 100%, that makes neither he nor I less Christian. It just means that we see His word in different ways.
RWR isn't a hater - any true Christian is a lover of all.
Bartleby
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I'm open to some form of partnership that would be recognized by government, carrying with it some of the advantages (inheritance & medical decision-making, as examples) and disadvantages associated with being married. At the same time, I would hope that recognition, while binding on government and certain other entities, would not necessarily impart a general obligation for private parties to recognize them against their beliefs or morality.
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Sounds fair to me. I hope Dolphin got to see that before he left. He and I disagreed a lot, but I kinda liked him anyway.
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Democrat Family Values
We remember the controversy over the Bush twins having the audacity to try – gasp! – to drink underage in a college-town bar. You would have thought they were guilty of mass murder. Their behavior was supposed to prove the bankruptcy of Bush (and GOP) family values.
I wonder why the media isnÂ’t nearly so judgmental about this case involving the daughters of Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch (who recently announced as a candidate for the Democrat nomination for governor), in a case that has wound its way through the Illinois judicial system.
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Consistency is not one of the noted qualities of Democrats.
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I think had these been the daughters of the president (any president) it would have been big news. The Presidency carries a little more attention than a NOMINEE for Governor.
As for this being an example of Democratic family values, I'm curious if you make the same generalizations about Republicans. Take for instance the guy who tried to shove a screwdriver through his girlfriend's neck for voting for Kerry. Are you willing to make the same broad statement and claim that he represents every Republican?
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 04:24:08 2005 (fgsGh)
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I think that the daughters of a state's chief law enforcement officer assaulting a couple of cops trumps being 19 and trying to get a cocktail.
Especially since they used his name in an attempt to get special treatment and then tried to get the cops they assaulted punished for arresting them.
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There's a big difference here.
Bush's kids trying to drink while underage is in the same league as this, and they DO represent their father's political party to a degree.
In much the same way, these kids represent their father's political party to a degree.
The cretin that stabbed his girlfriend is an idiot that should be imprisoned (if he wasn't already). He is not representative of a political party.
Organized or prominent members of a political party or family represent them. So if a large group named "Democrats against guns" grew violent during a protest, then they would represent the party (to a degree). Similarly, if a large group named "Republicans for guns" grew violent during a protest, they would also represent the party (to a degree).
Protest Warrior has done a
fine job of showing the behavior of many on the far left and what they do when they don't get their way. They get angry and break things, become physically violent to those that disagree with them, and otherwise practice what they say the ordinary right wing people do (the far right has its own problems with abortion bombers and the like).
Those people *are* representative of the far left. The difference is that aren't NEARLY as many people on the far right as there are on the far left that are behaving as described above.
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they DO represent their father's political party to a degree.
I'd like to think you were right because that would mean that, as Alan Keyes daughter, Maya Keyes is representing a new face to the Republican party however a politicians children really don't represent the party of their parent.
Protest Warrior has done a fine job of showing the behavior of many on the far left and what they do when they don't get their way.
No, to be clear, PROtest WARrior does a fine job of selectively picking clips and shot of a small minority of leftie protestors misbehaving. It's a rather dishonest trick that is done by both sides. Take this post for example, one example is generalized to an entire half of the country.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 06:34:23 2005 (fgsGh)
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Did you deliberately misread what I said and ignore the rest?
All of that on purpose?
Because if you weren't doing it on purpose, you would HAD to have seen that I said the FAR left. I also included criticisms of the far right for similar behaviors.
I also didn't say everyone on the far left. I used the word many. I'm willing to bet that there are a LOT more than 50,000 people in the USA that are on the far left and behave as the people shown in the videos. 50,000 counts as 'many' to me.
According to Protest Warrior, they do not use selective clips, but try and show what they honestly see. I'll know for sure the next time they protest some protestors in Chicago because I plan to go.
...but would you believe me were I to say that the video was an accurate portrayal?
Note that they're not trying to say that everyone at these protests is nutso, but that a lot of them are, and that you can see large numbers of them gathering at such protests. I wouldn't say it's a valid portrayal of the leftists, but that it is a valid portrayal of the protestors, which is a significant subcategory.
Furthermore, as a member of an odd subculture (punks), I have to say that virtually every documentary I've seen on the subject, while it tends to show the stranger people within said subculture, it is still representative of what they were talking about...punks (yes, I'm old, and no, I don't have a mohawk anymore).
So anyway, what I was saying is that they portray an extreme side of the left that is violent when things don't go their way. I maintain that such was and is true.
Further - the left is NOT half of the country. The right is also not half of the country. MOST oc the country (population-wise) falls somewhere in the middle. I'm a far left kook (with far right economic ideals)...I know that most don't think as I.
Bartleby
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Dangit!
Subjugator or Sub...
Bartleby is elsewhere!
Maybe I should just go by Bartleby everywhere.
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BTW - If Alan Keyes didn't act like a jerk from time to time, I'd work like heck to get him elected. His positions are great, but then he goes nuts and ruins it.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 09:59:26 2005 (lkCzp)
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Gotta disagree -- underage drinking is seriously different from assaulting a police officer.
One gets you a ticket.
The other gets you jail time -- assuming it doesn't get you shot.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 11:14:24 2005 (JMjzp)
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RWR: I said that they're in the same league, not that they're the same thing.
They're both crimes - both acted irresponsibly. And by the way, depdending on where you do it, buying booze under-age can get you jail time.
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Democrats: The Party Of Hate
Just listen to
Howard Dean -- they are the party of hate and division.
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, unapologetic in the face of recent criticism that he has been too tough on his political opposition, said in San Francisco this week that Republicans are "a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
"The Republicans are not very friendly to different kinds of people," Dean said Monday, responding to a question about diversity during a forum with minority leaders and journalists. "We're more welcoming to different folks, because that's the type of people we are. But that's not enough. We do have to deliver on things: jobs and housing and business opportunities."
Let's see here. George W. Bush has a Cabinet that is more diverse than any in history -- the Democrats tried to stop those nominees. The President has tried to appoint more minorities to the federal bench -- Democrats have filibustered them. According to recent research, the GOP is the party favored by every income level except the ultra-rich and the extremely poor. The GOP welcomes people of every faith, while the Democrats are hostile to people of faith.
So Howard, it seems that you folks are the party that is exclusive -- exclusive of real Americans. Yours is a party of hate, which cannot accept that the American people have weighed it in a balance and found it wanting.
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Yeah, William Pryor is really diverse person -- like I really believe you. The Bush Administration is full of "yes men".
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Tue Jun 7 16:23:27 2005 (ODDFf)
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Perfect example of a guy who doesn't believe in diversity even if people are qualified for the positions. A good example of what an ass looks like...the Democrat donkey I mean.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue Jun 7 18:26:09 2005 (zudZk)
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Still bitter that friends of mine sicced on you on your blogsite to a point where you had to delete and block them all?
Childish, McWeenie. You can dish it out but can't take it ... pitiful.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Tue Jun 7 18:58:45 2005 (ODDFf)
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Miguel Estrada.
Janice Rogers Brown.
Henry Saad.
Condoleeza Rice.
Alberto Gonzalez.
I could continue.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue Jun 7 23:23:25 2005 (MWljv)
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It's interesting to note that the GOP is so fixated on race that they can't possibly comprehend that a Democrat might oppose a minority members's nomination, not because the individual is a minority but because they don't feel the individual is qualified. You have to remember that we think differently than you. Race just isn't a factor.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 8 04:00:28 2005 (fgsGh)
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Please do...RWR. Have you heard of Wayne Perryman? He has a great book called "Unfounded Loyalty". Great reading, too.
Last night I blogged about Wayne Perryman who is a black minister in conjunction with Howard "Racist" Dean recent, greatest and latest comments -
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The Republicans are not very friendly to different kinds of people...."
"They're a pretty monolithic party......"
"They all behave the same and they all look the same....."
"It's pretty much a white, Christian party....(which was yesterday).
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http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2005/06/when-howard-racist-dean-says-they-all.html
Like I said, a Donkey is an ass. Why aren't we surprised?
Posted by: mcconnell at Wed Jun 8 04:02:01 2005 (zudZk)
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Dolphin, and I suppose you agree with Dean's comments, then?
Republicans think differently - they support and encourage people from different race backgrounds even when they're already qualified. I believe Wayne Perryman noticed that alot.
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"R"...rather, it is they who cannot dish it out when they refuse to follow my rules in my blogsite. Debate, fine. Namecalling on owner and commenters? No.
Any idiot can call names. Just ask a five year old kid. But not everybody can debate effectively. That's what make debate that much more interesting. So, what do they do when these people cannot debate effectively? Well, they call names instead.
Does your friends/minions/"independent thinkers" include RWR who you say are both buddy buddy pal pal for a long time like you said earlier to me yesterday where you pretty much gave a cue to your minions "sic" on me in your blogsite?? Who are your real friends, really?
Nice show of intellectual dishonesty there.
That's all I'm going to say. My apologies to RWR in all of this travesty.
I can see where Dean is coming from.
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Were I President, I would not aim for diversity...if I got it, I would and if I didn't, it's no big deal. That's because being diverse isn't my goal. My goal is to take America down the best road, and my path to it would be to take the best and the brightest that share my goals. I don't care if they're all of one race, background, creed, or religion, so long as they help get the country where I want it to go.
Furthermore - it was Clinton who stated that he would have a cabinet that mirrored America's racial makeup...don't tell me he didn't care about race. He insisted on certain races for his cabinet.
Ultimately, I don't care if someone's from Morocco, Fiji, or Sweden. I care about ability.
What I am really sick of though, is how so many in the left imply that conservative minorities are somehow not 'real' minorities. People don't have to be liberal to be black or the like...liberalism is quite irrelevant to that fact of existance.
R: So you've got a judge that is white. SO? Guess what...whites represent a large section of America. We're also allowed to be given judgeships!
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Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 8 07:58:22 2005 (lkCzp)
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mcconnel, actually I agree with what i saw on another blog somewhere (can't remember off the top of my head where or I'd link): Dean's comments were idiotic, it's clearly STRAIGHT white Christians.
The RNC keeps a few minorities on hand so that they can throw the race card up anytime anyone questions their agenda. RWR does it all the time, it goes something like this: "Rice supported the war on Iraq today, liberals didn't like her opinion because she's black, those rascists!"
I wish I had the stats on diversity at my figer tips. Were it a contest, the DNC would blow the RNC out of the water, but as I said, it just doesn't really make all that big of a difference to me. I don't see the point in bragging over the number of minorities you employ.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 8 09:04:59 2005 (fgsGh)
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Oh and Sub,
I don't think R was refering to William Pryor because of his race, I think he was calling him out for being "the most demonstrably antigay judicial nominee in recent memory,"
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 8 09:06:36 2005 (fgsGh)
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Speaking of judges, 6 - 3 decision by Federal judges on the medical marijuana. Guess who the 3 dissented? Conservative judges. Looks like the 6 Liberals were the back-stabbers.
Posted by: mcconnell at Wed Jun 8 09:16:57 2005 (LmcbS)
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I think that Democrats don't like Rice for racist reasons that are a bit different than you may initially think.
I think they're (some of 'em anyway) being racist because they say she's not really black or acts too 'white' to be genuinely black. That is racist against whites AND blacks. It implies that whites think alike, that blacks think alike, and that anyone who thinks differently than what the speaker expects is trying to be what they are not...or more specifically that it's bad to be one of them (in this case, usually white).
I don't have a titanic problem with people who hate white people...at least not much more than I do with any stupid person...one of the generalities I use is that bigots tend to be stupid (it's something that's statistically sound), and I therefore tend to avoid them (I don't like being near stupid people).
That said; it bugs me to no end when these people achieve political office. That tells me that either many people fail to see bigotry where I do (which could mean I am wrong or they have diffculty seeing it), or that they don't care (a bit of a greater concern, since I like to think most people aren't bigots.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 8 09:33:28 2005 (lkCzp)
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Speaking of judges, 6 - 3 decision by Federal judges on the medical marijuana. Guess who the 3 dissented? Conservative judges. Looks like the 6 Liberals were the back-stabbers.
Scalia's a Liberal judge?
Anyways, I'll say what I said when RWR he mentioned the percieved politics of the justices on my site. I applaud good decisions and condemn bad decisions. Whether or not I agree with a decision has NOTHING to do with whether it is made by the "conservative" justices or the "liberal" justices (all but two of whom were appointed by Republicans).
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 8 10:18:03 2005 (fgsGh)
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I'm pointing to minorities because How-weird Dean says we are a bunch of white Christians. To refute that point, I needed to bring up prominent and powerful minorities.
As for Democrats opposing minorities on matters of principle, I know that happens. Look at the opposition of "Sheets" Byrd (KKK -- Dogpatch) to Thurgood Marshal -- Byrd opposed him based on Marshal's position that segregation was a violation of the Constitution and that blacks were permitted to vote under the 13th Amendment. So I know it happens. And in the case of Janixe Rogers Brown, one of the extremist opinions she is criticized for by Democrats and other liberals is one that argues that race-based police stops violate the equal protection clause, so i know that it isn't her race they object to.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Jun 8 12:59:58 2005 (jNFpp)
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Wow if that wasn't a loaded response. I find it amusing that a party that is known for racism finds one member of other party with an unacceptable past and harps on it. You mentioned Sen Byrd in at least every other post.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 04:32:50 2005 (fgsGh)
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As I recall, the party with the long racist history is the DEMOCRAT PARTY. The GOP is the party noted for its support of racial equality.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 05:45:53 2005 (DTBYN)
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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 06:41:51 2005 (fgsGh)
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Actually Dolphin, he's right.
Go back and see who voted for the Civil Rights act.
Republicans. In fact, something like 90% of Democrats voted against it.
In fact, the Republican party was founded as the anti-slavery party. Check it out - there's ample evidence of it.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 09:03:22 2005 (lkCzp)
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I'd like to see some of the evidence that conservatives were anti-slavery. If you're tlaking about switches in ideals between the party I'll give you that, but if you're actually talking about ideology, I'd like to see the evidence that racist ideology is also anti-slavery.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 09:42:43 2005 (fgsGh)
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Howard Dean's an asshole. He's an ass for making that stupid naïve statement, AND for missing an opportunity to be accurate and expose the completely UN-Christian opportunist RNC, choosing polemics instead, helping divide and conquer.
Republicans are NOT necessarily a monolithic Christian party. Those who run it are decidedly NOT Christian, in ANY real sense of the word, besides lip service. The Democratic leadership is not Liberal in ANY real sense of the word, either. Both are twisted caricatures of conservatism, liberalism, and of Christianity.
Some Christians, the dominate-everyone-else kind of Calvinists (Calvinists burned unbelievers at the stake), *DO* run to the RNC. Other Christians who emulate Jesus' life and manner -- the kind of Christ-like Christian the RNC HATES -- liberal-minded, turn-the-other-cheek, help-the-poor Christians -- DO NOT like Republicans, BUT they have nowhere to go for decency. (yes there are 3rd parties) (and no it's a bad idea to have a political party in the US be a theological party, see Barry Goldwater below)
Furthermore, as decent and just Christian Alex Jones points out, he went from being a mere Clinton hater to seeing the big picture of the New World Order. Later, he joined some Brit news people and snuck into Bohemian Grove. See his movies. I didn't believe it. Neither did he until he saw it. Hear his interview on Coast to Coast AM.
He REALLY did take FILM of Republican (AND Democrat) power mongers, including supposed "Christians" like the Bush's, engaged in worship of an evil Deity - Moloch - in a California redwood grove. The audience participated in a Western version of ancient Babylonian ritual called the "Cremation of Care" where an infant (effigy) named "Care" or "conscience" is sacrificed on the flaming altar of a 40 foot stone owl, every summer in July.
The film is undoctored but had to be enhanced (sound and camera angle) because it was taken with a hip-mounted hidden cam. The original raw footage and some enhanced footage is in the film Dark Secrets of Bohemian Grove on www.infowars.com, but his video Martial Law covers it as well. Bohemian Grove can be downloaded from www.archive.org in low res quality.
DEMOCRATS go to the Grove too. It has ties to Occultism, the Nazi kind. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis had ties to German cults of Illuminati which gave them their basis. This is the American version, but World Leaders European Royalty and former Nazis go here.
So Howard Dean is a polemic-creating liar, who un-necessarily divided GOOD Christians with GOOD Conservative ideals and GOOD Liberals with GOOD Liberal ideals.
THAT SAID, even ARCH-CONSERVATIVE Barry Goldwater -- who created what later became the Reagan Revolution --- knew it is a gross mistake to hijack the RNC and turn it into a party representing Christianity, no matter what the justification, because a theocracy is an anethema to real Conservative politics. Look up quotes on Christianity from Barry Goldwater.
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I'd like to hear R's comment about this whole thing. It's okay to admit that Dems were all that. To deny the truth, one cannot move on & learn from it.
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June 05, 2005
Who Says Crime Doesn't Pay
I really felt an incredible desire to be ill upon reading
this article, for a whole bunch of different reasons.
Elva Hernández never imagined she'd give birth to a son in a medical helicopter flying over the Arizona desert.
The 29-year-old woman, who was seven months' pregnant, felt contractions and went into labor after walking in the heat, rain and in the cold of night for nearly 20 hours as she and her family tried to illegally enter the United States.
Hernández, her children and her husband were abandoned by a smuggler soon after she went into labor.
Last Sunday, she gave birth in the helicopter minutes after being rescued by U.S. Border Patrol agents.
She and the premature baby, Christian, a new U.S. citizen, were taken to Tucson's University Medical Center. The infant is stable, but remains in intensive care. Hernández left the hospital Tuesday.
more...
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I agree! I understand the desire to come here but this trick of coming pregnant to deliver in the USA should not be rewarded with citizenship.
Posted by: Pat in NC at Sun Jun 5 09:16:51 2005 (pN8n1)
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Nice to see you wake up from your sleep in the turnip patch. This is established law and has been for many, many years.
You remind me of Mr. Bumble in Oliver Twist ("If the law supposes that, then the law is a ass, a idiot!")
Posted by: oddjob at Sun Jun 5 10:25:04 2005 (BtY4w)
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I've known it for years -- even taught it in my classes.
That doesn't mean I agree with it, nor that I cannot be angered and sickened by it when I see articles like this one.
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Posted by: oddjob at Sun Jun 5 12:06:03 2005 (BtY4w)
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I like the idea of termination of parental rights though I've always thought that a doctrine similar to 'Fruit of the Poisonous Tree' should apply in cases like this. It's asinine that she is to benefit from a crime. Furthermore, I think she should be forever DENIED the right to be here legally, and it should be a FELONY to assist her in remaining here illegally.
Until we address the issue of illegal immigration, the Mexican government will not have to address its issues with corruption.
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June 04, 2005
Non-Existant Weapons Material Disappears
I keep hearing the Left claim that Bush lied about Iraq having the material to make WMDs. I keep hearing that no such material was ever found. Now it appears that the material that didn't exist
has disappeared from its storage areas on Iraq.
U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.
U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.
In the report to the U.N. Security Council (search), acting chief weapons inspector Demetrius Perricos said he's reached no conclusions about who removed the items or where they went. He said it could have been moved elsewhere in Iraq, sold as scrap, melted down or purchased.
He said the missing material can be used for legitimate purposes. "However, they can also be utilized for prohibited purposes if in a good state of repair."
He said imagery analysts have identified 109 sites that have been emptied of equipment to varying degrees, up from 90 reported in March.
The report also provided much more detail about the percentage of items no longer at the places where U.N. inspectors monitored them.
So please let me understand -- things that folks claim never existed are now missing.
So which is it ?
Was Bush right about this material, or did it never exist in the first place?
I think we all know the answer -- as inconvenient as it may be for the Left to admit.
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FOX NEWS is not reliable.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sat Jun 4 15:44:24 2005 (nWmj6)
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Hear ye, hear ye. "R"'s word is gold. Let's turn over the reign to Newsweek, cBS, BBC, and the lovely Diva Ms. Couric.
Key words that the great "R" missed:
"U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday."
And surprise of surprises what France said!
France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said Thursday the commission's expertise "should not be lost for the international community."
Kill the messenger, eh "R".
A typical facist liberalista response.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sat Jun 4 17:03:53 2005 (qzj0i)
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They're saying that materials which could feasibly be used as WMD, but were not meant as such, disappeared and that they find it odd. They aren't themselves weapons however, nor are they any sort of proof that Iraq was pursuing WMD.
The whole of the U.N.'s point was that they were monitoring these materials, which they did not believe were being used illegally. Now that they've disappeared, the situation may have changed and the materials could be used to make weapons.
Posted by: N.J. at Sat Jun 4 18:17:04 2005 (FJAxe)
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Fox News isn't reliable, but that's besides the point here.
Materials to make WMDs are not the same as ACTUAL WMDs. I'm no chemist but I bet I could make a bomb with ordinary materials that I have in my home, but that doesn't mean that I have a bomb!
Bush's claim wasn't that Iraq had the materials to make WMDs, Bush claim as that Iraq not only had WMDs but was an imminent threat to the USA, a claim his own hand-picked weapons inspector has declared false.
Posted by: dolphin at Sat Jun 4 19:37:20 2005 (MIt/1)
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Bush claimed they had WMDs...and they actually did have *some*...though apparently not nearly as much as he'd originally thought.
Yaknow what though, France, Italy, Germany, and Russia thought Saddam had WMDs as well. Everyone who says Bush 'lied' is full of caca. Bush was 'wrong', and even then Saddam still had to be taken out.
The person we REALLY need to dust is Kim Jung Il.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Sun Jun 5 02:37:49 2005 (r/FBF)
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A breaking story here...
Huge underground hideout uncovered in Iraq
Search in Anbar province yields large weapons cache
Sunday, June 5, 2005 Posted: 8:14 AM EDT (1214 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers have uncovered a 503,000 square-foot underground insurgent hideout in central Iraq containing large stores of weapons, ammunition and supplies.
The bunker -- the size of nine American football fields or six soccer pitches -- is the largest found in the past year, the U.S. military said Sunday.
No insurgents were in the bunker, but Marines found fully charged cell phones and fresh food in the kitchen, said 1st Lt. Kate VandenBossche, a spokeswoman for the 2nd Marine Division.
The bunker, which measured 902 feet (275 meters) by 558 feet (170 meters), also included furnished living spaces, two showers and an air conditioner, she said.
Other rooms contained machine guns, mortars, rockets, artillery rounds, black uniforms, ski masks, compasses, log books and night vision goggles, she said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/05/iraq.main/index.html
Of course, maybe Commie News Network is unreliable as well.
But, an underground lair about the size of 9 football fields?!! Kind gives you a new perspective of how many types of weapons could be hidden or even manufactured or the storing of WMD.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sun Jun 5 05:22:49 2005 (jXhtw)
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Everyone who says Bush 'lied' is full of caca. Bush was 'wrong'
Well what would you call it?
We now know that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." I'd call knowingly altering intelligence report to make them back your plans when they didn't in reality lying.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun Jun 5 11:04:49 2005 (SVh3K)
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I'd not heard that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy"; what is the context in which that was presented? Also, did Bush - directly or indirectly - get people to change the intelligence? He could have told them he wants evidence that Saddam had WMDs. That's different than lying.
Also, did Bush somehow manage to convince all of the other world leaders to lie as well?
Posted by: Subjugator at Sun Jun 5 11:11:20 2005 (r/FBF)
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I don't have much faith in the Downin Street memo -- and even if the thing is authentic, and that sentences is not a later addition, one does not need to read that as "altering intelligence". It is just as easy to read it as "selecting and using the evidence that best supported the case for war".
Think about it -- you have two bits of information -- one that supports your beliefs and one that doesn't. Which do you believe and use?
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun Jun 5 12:15:31 2005 (lUWVO)
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I stated it poorly. Thankfully RWR stated it better than I.
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Let's say your right and the memo actually only indicates that he was SELECTING evidence rather than ALTERING it. Isn't intentionally leaving out information that contradicts your claim and only offering what back it also lying? Didn't I just recently get attacked when it was percieved that I had done just what you're talking about?
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*cough* Global warming, Dolphin?
You do have a good point though, in that if that's what he was doing, unless the evidence against was minimal or weak, it was intellectually dishonest and he should have given the whole story.
Not knowing what he did or said, I'd say there's at least evidence for suspicion. That said; my personal reasons for supporting our venture in Iraq are good - though I am being logically inconsistent in said support (I have serious difficulty reconciling it with my opposition to taxation) - and all I rely upon for actions I support are my reasons, not his.
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Sub,
Your pet topic (global warming) has already been addressed in another post. Why don't you address it there instead of trying to make it the topic of EVERY post.
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Indeed, every intel agency thought Saddam had WMD. Many prominent Democrats said this very thing, too (see
here). So, how did Bush "lie?"
The Downing St. Memo, from I've seen, is as RWR says most likely -- that Bush and co. utilized [certain] evidence to make their case, not that they
made up evidence. If Kerry and co. want to bring impeachment charges about this, good luck with the Repub. Congress!
Posted by: Hube at Mon Jun 6 10:41:40 2005 (WfW9j)
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Most of those who believed that Iraq had WMDs believed so based on the evidence that Bush presented to them. Yet you still ask how Bush lied?
You got it spot on with that last line Hube. Bush cannot be impeached. He could single-handly kill every first born child in the US and as long as the GOP controls Congress he would happily sit there in office.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon Jun 6 12:04:12 2005 (hkQ+k)
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I wasn't addressing the topic of global warming, I was addressing the topic of selective use of evidence. Global warming happens to be a very convenient example thereof.
As for the rest - they had their OWN intelligence agencies and believed that WMDs were possessed based on their own data. You can't possibly believe that Russia, England, et al do not have their own competent intelligence agencies.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Tue Jun 7 00:09:19 2005 (r/FBF)
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And you can't possibly believe that the US wasn't offering them information to try to get them on board.
Posted by: dolphin at Tue Jun 7 04:19:37 2005 (fgsGh)
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Competent Russian intelligence? Have you forgotten that Putin accused Bush for firing Dan Rather??
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'We didn't criticize you when you fired those reporters at CBS.'
Bush's aides have long feared that former KGB officers in Putin's inner circle are painting a twisted picture of U.S. policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60098-2005Feb28.html
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Tell me again about how competent Russian intelligences are.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue Jun 7 06:46:36 2005 (LmcbS)
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I can believe that we shared information with them. Can you believe that they also shared information with us?
I believe that it is entirely possible that Bush was intellectually dishonest. I just also believe it was possible that he wasn't intentionally so.
The reason I tend toward the second is because Bush has shown himself to be a fairly honest man, and I've not found proof of him ever having lied. In fact, when presented with the subject of past drug use, rather than lie, he refused to answer when he could have lied. Pretty tough thing to not lie about when he'd lie about something like this...ESPECIALLY since his request to congress for a use of force did NOT include mention of WMDs...it only included notation of Saddam's refusal to follow the basis of the cease fire.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Tue Jun 7 06:47:32 2005 (lkCzp)
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Bush has shown himself to be a fairly honest man
I shouldn't have read that while eating. I almost choked. Funny stuff though, keep up the comedy!!
Posted by: dolphin at Tue Jun 7 07:43:18 2005 (fgsGh)
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Most of those who believed that Iraq had WMDs believed so based on the evidence that Bush presented to them. Yet you still ask how Bush lied?
URRRNT!!
Completely incorrect. Wow, I know libs are paranoid about American power projection, but to say that Bush hoodwinked every Western (and some non-Western) intel agencies as well as the UN is, well,
ultra paranoid!
Posted by: Hube at Tue Jun 7 07:54:20 2005 (hLmHh)
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BTW dolphin, you guys
still can't decide whether Bush is a dunce or insidiously smart! It's a riot! Hey, but based on today's news, we now know that "intellectual/nuanced" Kerry had the same GPA at Yale as the pres.! How 'bout that?
Posted by: Hube at Tue Jun 7 07:58:35 2005 (hLmHh)
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Sub,
You're incorrect about "his request to congress for a use of force did NOT include mention of WMDs...it only included notation of Saddam's refusal to follow the basis of the cease fire."
Look at the text of Joint Resolution on Iraq passed by the U.S. Congress on October 11, 2002.
It mentions "weapons of mass destruction" 7 times. Not to mention the word "weapons" 17 times.
Congress voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as >>required
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forgot to add the link of the Joint Resolution on Iraq:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/joint_resolution_10-11-02.html
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that was me who added the link.
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Congress voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as >>required
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Ok, one more time. It's picky about a certain symbol used here.
Congress voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as REQUIRED by the UN resolutions.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
It was an enforcement policy where the UN refused to address it after 12 years.
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BTW dolphin, you guys still can't decide whether Bush is a dunce or insidiously smart! It's a riot! Hey, but based on today's news, we now know that "intellectual/nuanced" Kerry had the same GPA at Yale as the pres.! How 'bout that?
Bush is a moron. I've never said otherwise. If grades are so important to you, I personally scored higher than Bush on the SATs, and I didn't come from enough money to buy whatever grades I wanted. He's a moron, but a moron with an agenda, and a number of advisors.
Posted by: dolphin at Tue Jun 7 09:14:45 2005 (fgsGh)
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Every U.S. President comes in with an agenda. Clinton's first agenda after eyeing Lewinsky was probably to try and bag her. He succeeded.
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I think the PBS article has the most relevant text. Looks like I was incorrect.
Mea culpa. Sorry.
Now that I've read the request, if you read the whole declaration and request for the use of force, you'll note that it's only a small part of it and that there are other things as well beyond the WMDs. That may have weighted the decision of the legislative branch, so it could be worse to be wrong about that than other things, but it's still got a strong potential for being wrong.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Tue Jun 7 09:58:09 2005 (lkCzp)
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Bush has an agendum I am sure. So does everyone else on this planet...it's whether or not said agenda are harmful that is of concern.
What I believe about Bush is that he is sincere and wants to do the right thing. I kinda see him as being fairly similar to Carter as far as personality goes...I have vast respect for both, but disagree with many policies enacted by them.
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Howard Dean Hates Again
Howard Dean, the son of wealth and privilege that heads the party of the wealthiest office-holders and political donors in America, now claims that
Republicans are dishonest and don't work.
Asserting that some Florida voters stood in line for eight hours in November, Dean said that was a hardship for people who ''work all day and then pick up their kids at child care.''
But, he said, Republicans could stand in eight-hour lines ''because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives.''
I'v got a suggestion for you, Dr. Howard F*ing Dean. Come down here to Houston some day. Spend an afternoon with me in my classroom, and then follow me to my night job after dinner with my disabled wife. Come with me to a Harris County GOP meeting, and see how many of my fellow precinct chairs are hard-working Americans who are out there working their tails off to support their families.
And then you can hop on your chartered jet and go back to Washignton, where you can have dinner with John Kerry, the gigolo who is the richest member of the US Senate, Jon Corzine (the Goldman-Sach profiteer), Herb Kohl (heir to a retailing fortune), Jay Rockerfeller (we know where he got his cash), Ted Kennedy (still living off of Daddy's bootlegging bucks), Marc Dayton (another guy who inherited his money), and Dianne Feinstein (she earned her money the old-fashioned way -- she married a rich guy). Heck, maybe you can call up Warren Buffett (speculator) and Bill Gates (stole IBM's operating system and Apple's interface, and uses monopoly power to control the software industry) to join you.
So are you suure you want to talk about folks who have never done an honest day's work, Howard?
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I would venture to say that he's right.
"a lot of" Republicans "have never made an honest living in their lives"
Do you deny this? I would most certainly never deny that a lot of Democrats have never made an honest living in their lives.
I work three jobs (and take classes during the school year) just to keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, yet I can certainly admit there are those who vote for the same people I do who make a significant amount more money than I do while doing significantly less work.
Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 3 05:18:03 2005 (2h6qI)
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I'm pointing out that Dean, a son of wealth and privilege who heads a party with wealthier office holders and wealthier donors than the GOP, is palying the class warfare card in an attempt to accuse the GOP of being the party of his own constituency and fellow Democrats.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 3 05:59:38 2005 (FuzV8)
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Hypocrite is Dean's middle name...just right after "Yeaarrrggghh!"
Posted by: mcconnell at Fri Jun 3 07:22:15 2005 (LmcbS)
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Is that all you can say, McConnell?
RWR, you must be proud to claim that you have the disabled wife.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Fri Jun 3 09:54:04 2005 (nWmj6)
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I don't have a problem with wealthy people, but for Dean to say that is the pt calling the kttle black.
When I was a kid, we were poor. We were *dirt* poor to be more specific. My mother's gross income was 60% of welfare and we received no government assistance. No child support came in from my father either.
We were Republicans.
I am now well off. My political beliefs have moved toward libertarianism, but they remain fiscally conservative.
When I voted in the last election, I arrived with two hours to spare on the 'official' time. They came up and told us we might not get to vote because we didn't get there early enough. I made it perfectly clear that I was going to vote and that there was nothing they could do to stop me.
The response of the Democrat who was running my polling site? She called the police on me and told them I was agitating the crowd (I was taking names and phone numbers for the lawsuit and was calling lawyers, the local Republican party, my senator, and my representative...I also urged people to sit down and refuse to move if they told us we couldn't vote). The police got there at the same time as a reporter. I got angrier when I saw she'd called the police and told her that I'm sure the reporter would *LOVE* to get a picture of them arresting me for trying to vote. The police saw me and asked me what I was doing. I told them what was going on and they told her that I wasn't doing anything illegal and that they couldn't make me leave (the polling place was a church that was open 24x7). Her response? "Can't you arrest him for causing a disturbance or something? These people are very angry."
Let's see...they're angry because I'm trying to make it so we all can vote, not because you're telling them they can't.
In the end, it took me five and a half hours to get to vote, but we all got to.
It was a Democrat that called the police. It was a Democrat that tried to get me arrested.
Yeah, I'm a fat cat. I get up at 5:00am every day to go to work. I foster three children. I own a business that works as a second job. Does that sound like a fat cat to you?
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Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 3 10:07:05 2005 (lkCzp)
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No, simply stating a fact.
And given a certain experience that she, a registered Democrat and a confirmed liberal, had with the Dean campaign and its operatives when she tried to do volunteer work for them, I think the encounter would be a rather interesting one.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 3 12:36:10 2005 (bl+aw)
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They tried to keep you from voting? That is odd, because I know that here in Texas we are required to allow anyone who is in line at closing time to cast their ballot, no matter how long that proces takes. One year we remained open an extra two hours, until the last person in line (a cop who had just gotten off duty at 6:30) was done. In 2004, we didn't have a long wait at the end of the day, but did earlier. For details you can check out my old blog (www.precinct333.blogspot.com) or go to the archives of one of my (Democrat) poll workers over at The People's Republic of Seabrook (www,intellectualize.org) -- check the election day entries at both.
What state are you in that the election judge claims the right to lock the doors and cut off voting? Were you able to confirm that she was making a threat to act illegally?
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 3 12:47:51 2005 (bl+aw)
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Yeah Sub,
I might not think very much of you, but if you're an American citizen and arrived at the polls during operating hours (even if the lines would prevent you from voting until after hours) you should have been allowed to vote. Did you get her name and report her???
Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 3 14:26:17 2005 (MIt/1)
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Sub, you're odd -- I never had a problem at any polling stations.
Maybe you did something.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Fri Jun 3 16:01:08 2005 (nWmj6)
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Nice red herring "R", it fits you.
Subjugator, did you report on this elsewhere besides on RWR? That is one heck of a story. Imagine the nerve of pollers telling people cannot vote just because the line is too long.
Oooh, more from Reverunnn Dean:
Dean preaches values in Kansas City visit
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - National Democratic Chairman Howard Dean quoted the Bible, the golden rule and moral values Friday
"They are a party in desperate search for a message or an identity, whichever comes first," said Missouri GOP consultant John Hancock. "Judging by Mr. Dean's comments, they are not there yet."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11811929.htm
Yeah, I agree. Dean's not totally there.
Posted by: mcconnell at Fri Jun 3 21:09:25 2005 (qzj0i)
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Sounds like he did, as far as the election judge was concerned -- he tried to vote.
Heck, maybe we had someone trying to set up "credible allegations of disenfranchisement"to delegitimize GOP victories. I mean hey, it worked in Democrat run counties in 2000 -- Democrats screwed up the election, but it was somehow the fault of the GOP, according to the activists.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Jun 4 01:39:52 2005 (dYb0p)
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I live in Plainfield Indiana, which is flat out Republican country. Indiana is so heavily red that presidential candidates don't even bother campaigning here, and Hendricks county is so red that the streets might as well run with red paint.
What the Inspector for the polling place said was (paraphrased): "Anyone not past this line at 6:30pm will not be allowed to vote."
I told her she's not allowed to do that, and that she has to allow anyone that was in line at the time the polls closed to vote. She walked away.
That's when I started acting as an agitator...getting names, phone numbers, and addresses for the suit. She was clearly in the wrong and we needed to stop her.
When the police got there and she found out that they wouldn't back her up and that our tiny little local newspaper would love a story like that, she started thinking of other ideas. Sad that it took that much to get her to do the right thing.
The end result: She said the law requires that the line has to stop X number of feet from the actual polling location at the time of closure. My response: "Does the line have to be single file?" She blinked and said no...so I yelled to everyone (there were a few hundred of us in line at the time): "Pack it in people, we're all going to vote!" She grimaced and we all jammed up like sardines and we all voted.
I admit that I'd have liked to nail her for trying that, but I wanted to vote more than that. In the end, we found a solution and everybody got to vote.
It is disgusting to me that in some places in this country some people were not allowed to vote because of circumstances that were not of their own construction. I have no sympathy for wanted felons who are afraid to go vote or things like that, but for people who showed up on time (heck, for people who just plain showed up) and had the right to vote, they should get to.
If the polls in Afghanistan can stay open for days at a time, ours certainly can. Nobody will be hurt by doing so, and while it may cost a bit more...big deal. Let people have their say.
I'll tell you what - one of the few things I liked about California was public referendum. That's one thing they got right.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Sat Jun 4 03:13:39 2005 (r/FBF)
Posted by: mcconnell at Sat Jun 4 05:29:42 2005 (qzj0i)
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interesting stuff, subjugator. i find it hard to believe that it happened in Indiana. but glad that you stood up for what you believed in. I would have done the same.
mcconnell, nobody cared about your comments --- please do us a favor, get lost.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sat Jun 4 08:19:49 2005 (nWmj6)
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"R", I believe RWR is asking me to stay. He's the blogowner...not you. Or haven't you noticed that?
It's certainly NOT hard to believe that such incidents can and do occur.
Hey, Sub, did the town change the rule regarding the "line" for the next election?
Posted by: mcconnell at Sat Jun 4 12:12:44 2005 (qzj0i)
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It's actually a state law. The ruling from the Federal Judge in Ohio that basically said 'if someone wants to vote, they can' applies to us as well, so I'm a bit comforted by said ruling.
I may not agree with everything that my political opponents have to say, but if you REALLY want to offend me, tell me they can't vote.
This may sound pathetic, but I was *REALLY* upset by this. I had to fight from crying...I felt like a little sissy wuss, but it was incredibly surreal and scary to me. I mean, that kind of stuff happens in *other* countries, right?
It all worked out, and a good judge stepped in and corrected the issue, thank heavens.
Sub
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June 02, 2005
Prosecute Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton has violated the deal made to avoid prosecution at the end of his term as president. As such, the agreement not to prosecute him for his crimes is no longer in effect, and federal authorities should pursue all appropriate charges against the former president. After all, there is no longer any basis for arguing that investigations or a trial interfere with his ability to carry out his official duties. I mean, he no longer has any.
Let's recall what the agreement required. Clinton had to admit that he did, in fact, lie in the Paula Jones case. Furthermore, he had to accept being disbarred. Now he has come back and made the claim that all charges against him were, in fact, false. These claims, in an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, seem to be a deal breaker to me.
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I'm not sure that this counts as a legal deal breaker. He's a slime, and he's backtracking...again...but I'm not sure that such is part of the legal basis for his plea bargain. He can tell any private citizen whatever he wants, so long as he doesn't try and practice law or the like.
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How Would He Stop It?
Well,
the Texas Left has again demanded that Governor Rick Perry suspend the First Amendment to the US Constitution, insofar as it applies to those who object to the invasion of the United States by undocumented border-jumping criminals. This is
the second such demand in the last month.
State Senator Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa and a group of Texas lawmakers attempted to pass a resolution insisting thet the governor prevent the Minutemen from monitoring the Texas-Mexico border for invading border-jumpers, as they did in Arizona this spring. The basis for the demand that the Constitutional right of Americans to peaceably assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances be abridged was that allowing the exercise of those rights could "impede the traffic and negatively affect both tourism and trade along the border."
Governor Perry responded appropriately, though he failed to give support to the Minutemen as I had hoped he would.
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Again - liberals - when confronted with nonviolent behavior and ideas that they don't like...respond with violence.
Why is this not surprising to me?
The party of tolerance cannot tolerate dissenting ideas. They will work will stop the dissenters by force of law or force of arms.
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