Dem Candidates Oppose Speaking The Truth
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard is a terrorist organization. Why, then, are some Democrat presidential candidates opposed to saying so? Could it be Bush Derangement Syndrome?
Last month, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., voted for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, joining 29 other Democrats and 47 Republicans as the Senate OKÂ’d the non-binding statement.
Her vote triggered a fusillade of criticism from her rivals, former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., who portrayed the vote as something Bush might exploit to justify an attack on Iran.
“She shouldn’t have done it, because what she’s done is given this president with his history the first step in the authority to move (militarily) on Iran,” Edwards told reporters last Friday in Boone, Iowa.
He hammered at that theme again in Tuesday night’s debate, charging that the Kyl-Lieberman resolution “looks literally like it was written by the neo-cons…. It literally gave Bush and Cheney exactly what they wanted.”
Calling terrorists terrorists. A bad thing, if you are a Democrat -- because you believe that George W. Bush is worse. Nice to know whose side you are on, Senators.
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Recommendations On Ballot Propositions
We have an election coming up next week, related to ballot propositions on the state, county, and local levels.
Looking them over, IÂ’d like to offer the following positions for your consideration.
STATE OF TEXAS
Amendment 1
Clarifies in law the legislatureÂ’s transfer of Angelo State University from Texas State University System to Texas Tech University System.
Yes – a technical correction
Amendment 2
Issues $500 million general obligation bonds for student loans
Yes – reluctantly. We need to restore tuition caps
Amendment 3
Limits the ad valorem tax on a homestead to the most recent market value or a 10 percent increase from the value of last yearÂ’s appraisal.
Yes – while it fails to go far enough in capping property taxes, that is no reason for not taking the incremental step.
Amendment 4
Authorizes up to $1 billion in bonds from the state general revenues for maintenance, repair and construction projects
Yes – too many projects have been delayed too long, and must be completed in the short term. The Battleship Texas project and the law enforcement provisions alone are reason enough to pass.
Amendment 5
Allows cities under 10,000 to vote to authorize the city to enter agreements encouraging revitalization programs by deferring ad valorem taxes
Yes
Amendment 6
Exempts ad valorem tax on one vehicle used for both professional and personal use
Yes
Amendment 7
Allows the government to sell property acquired through eminent domain back to the previous owner at the price paid by the government in acquiring the land
Yes – though it should be mandatory in those cases in which projects are cancelled.
Amendment 8
Clarifies and alters procedures related to making and using home equity loans
Yes – but this proves that there are things in the Texas Constitution that don’t need to be there
Amendment 9
Allows legislature to exempt totally disabled veteranÂ’s homesteads from ad valorem taxes and changes the method for determining the amount of a disabled veteranÂ’s exemption
Yes
Amendment 10
Eliminates the authority for the office of inspector of hides and animals
Yes – since the office is no longer in existence
Amendment 11
Requires a record vote on any final passage of a piece of legislation except local bills, and assures Internet access to those votes
Yes – a good government bill, though the local bills should not be exempt
Amendment 12
Authorizes Texas Transportation Commission to issue $5 billion in bonds for highway improvement projects
No – let’s rein-in the Trans Texas Corridor
Amendment 13
Authorizes the denial of bail to a person who violates certain court orders in misdemeanor family violence cases.
Yes
Amendment 14
Permits judges reaching mandatory retirement age to finish their terms
Yes – though we ought to be eliminating the retirement age completely
Amendment 15
Establishes the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas and authorizes state to issue up to $3 billion in bonds from the general revenue for research
No Recommendation – I’m still struggling with this one
Amendment 16
Allows Texas Water Development Board to issue up to $250 million in additional bonds for clean water in economically distressed areas
Yes
HARRIS COUNTY
Proposition 1
The issuance of $190,000,000 Harris County road bonds and the levying of the tax in payment thereof.
Yes
Proposition 2
The issuance of $95,000,000 Harris County park bonds and the levying of the tax in payment thereof.
No
Proposition 3
The issuance of $195,000,000 Harris County bonds for a central processing and adult detention center and the levying of the tax in payment thereof.
Yes
Proposition 4
The issuance of $80,000,000 harris county bonds for a medical examiner's forensic center and the levying of the tax in payment thereof
Yes
Proposition 5
The issuance of $70,000,000 Harris County bonds for a family law center and the levying of the tax in payment thereof.
Yes
PORT OF HOUSTON AUTHORITY
Proposition
The issuance of $250,000,000 Port of Houston Authority bonds for port improvements (including related transportation facilities, security facilities and environmental enhancements) to provide economic development and the levying of the tax in payment thereof.
In accordance with Texas law and Section 5.21 of the Charter of the City of Seabrook, Texas, shall the City Council of the City of Seabrook, Texas be authorized to issue bonds of the City in the amount of $2,500,000 maturing serially or otherwise at such times as may be fixed by the City Council not to exceed 40 years from their date or dates and bearing interest at any rate or rates, either fixed, variable or floating, according to any clearly stated formula, calculation or method not exceeding the maximum interest now or hereafter authorized by law as shall be determined within the discretion of the City Council at the time of issuance, and to levy a tax upon all taxable property in the City sufficient to pay the interest on the bonds, and to provide a sinking fund for the payment of the bonds as they mature, for the purpose of making permanent public park improvements as follows: the Pine Gully Enhancement Project located at 502 Pine Gully, Seabrook, Texas, including acquisition of approximately 8.433 acres of property immediately north of Pine Gully Park, construction and improvement of such property, all as more specifically described in Resolution 2007-14, and all matters necessary or incidental thereto.
Pay More – Here’s How
I’ve said it every time folks complain taxes are too low, or that they don’t deserve a newly implemented tax cut – they don’t need to keep that cash they feel isn’t rightfully theirs. And so I offer this suggestion to the latest “I’m not taxed enough” whiner – Warren Buffett.
The United States' second-richest man has delivered a blunt message to the Bush administration: he wants to pay more tax.
Warren Buffett, the famous investor known as the "Sage of Omaha", has complained that he pays a lower rate of tax than any of his staff - including his receptionist. Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52bn (£25bn), said: "The taxation system has tilted towards the rich and away from the middle class in the last 10 years. It's dramatic; I don't think it's appreciated and I think it should be addressed."
An analysis of his arguments shows that he wants to treat capital gains like income and wants social security contributions to be unlimited. That this would grind the economy to a screeching halt is overlooked by Buffett, but that is neither here nor there to the billionaire.
The thing is, though, that Buffett can already overcome the horrors of being undertaxed. As columnist and blogger Don Surber points out, he can diverst himself of his excess wealth quite easily. All he has to do is cut a check and mail it in.
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 6D17
Hyattsville, MD 20782
Put your money where your mouth is, Warren – determine what you should pay and then actually pay it. Otherwise you lack any and all moral authority to call for higher taxes for other Americans.
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Bad News From Iraq – If You Are A Dem
If this keeps up, there wonÂ’t be enough dead soldiers for the eventual Democrat nominee to stand on when declaring defeat in Iraq.
The number of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq is headed for the lowest level in more than a year and a half and the fifth consecutive monthly decline.
Twenty-seven Americans have been killed in action in October, with one day left in the month, Pentagon records show. That would be the lowest monthly level since March 2006, when 27 servicemembers died in hostile action, according to a USA TODAY analysis of Pentagon reports.
The total number of U.S. deaths, including accidents, in October so far is 35, records show.
A new strategy, backed up by 30,000 more U.S. servicemembers, has led to a decline in violence and weakened al-Qaeda, commanders say. The U.S. military started building combat outposts and moving troops outside major bases earlier this year in an attempt to provide more security.
That strategy led to higher U.S. casualties in the spring, as the new troops moved into areas that had been insurgent sanctuaries. Combat deaths in April and May were the highest for a two-month period since the war started in March 2003, records show.
More recently, casualties have declined as security has been established. "I think we've turned the corner," Brig. Gen. John Campbell, an assistant commander for the U.S. division in Baghdad, said Tuesday in an interview from Iraq.
The Surge is working. Victory will happen, if we stick with the strategy and support the Iraqis. That means, though, that we canÂ’t elect a candidate who is counting on American defeat as a path to electoral success.
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Dems Demand Mukasey Do What They WonÂ’t -- UPDATED AND BUMPED
It really is the height of hypocrisy for certain Democrats to demand that a nominee for a Cabinet slot declare before confirmation something that Congress lacks the courage to legislate itself.
Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware said late Monday that unless Michael Mukasey defines waterboarding as torture, he won't vote to confirm the attorney general nominee.
Biden said he is waiting on a response from Mukasey to a letter he and all the Democratic Senate Judiciary Committee members sent last week asking the nominee to clarify answers he gave about waterboading during his confirmation hearing earlier this month. The presidential candidate indicated that he considers Mukasey's responses to lawmakers' questions at the hearing evasive at best.
"I think Judge Mukasey's comments on waterboarding were outrageous, especially given that he's seeking the job of attorney general," Biden told FOX News. "Anyone who thinks that waterboarding is not torture, is not fit — and will not have my support — to be attorney general."
Well, Senator, I personally think that any member of the Senate who insists that waterboarding is torture but has not introduced legislation to make it unambiguously illegal under American law is not fit to be a member of the Senate – and certainly not to be President. After all, it is the province of the legislative branch to make the practice illegal under American law. Why not be man enough to take the lead, sir, so that the question is settled?
UPDATE: Again yesterday, there wasmore piling on from Democrats, who won't act to put their view unambiguously into law. Is it political grandstanding on their part, or simply their own moral cowardice?
Attorney general nominee Michael B. Mukasey told Senate Democrats yesterday that a kind of simulated drowning known as waterboarding is "repugnant to me," but he said he does not know whether the interrogation tactic violates U.S. laws against torture.
Mukasey's uncertainty about the method's legality has raised new questions about the success of his nomination. It seemed a sure thing just two weeks ago, as Democrats joined Republicans in predicting his easy confirmation to succeed the embattled Alberto R. Gonzales.
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Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), the Judiciary panel's chairman, reacted with blunt dissatisfaction, saying in a statement yesterday that he will continue to delay any vote on Mukasey until the nominee answers more questions from lawmakers. "I remain very concerned that Judge Mukasey finds himself unable to state unequivocally that waterboarding is illegal and below the standards and values of the United States," he said.
But Leahy, who said last week that "my vote would depend on him answering that question," stopped short of declaring he will oppose the nomination. Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), also issued a statement criticizing Mukasey but did not say whether he would vote no.
"We asked Judge Mukasey a simple and straightforward question: Is waterboarding illegal?" Durbin said. "While this question has been answered clearly by many others . . . Judge Mukasey spent four pages responding and still didn't provide an answer."
Senator Durbin, why don't you introduce legislation to make it clear that waterboarding is illegal? Could it be that you know it is an effective tactic, one that has produced hard intelligence in the past and will in the future, intelligence that has safeguarded the American people? Could it be that you don't want your name attached to any measure that takes this effective technique off the table when American lives are at stake? What about you, Senator Leahy -- same questions.
Either act legislatively on waterboarding, Senators, or shut up about it and let the confirmation vote proceed.
More Slots For Pro-US Afghanis And Iraqis
I agree with the New York Times here -- Congress needs to act to make it easier for those who have helped the US in Afghanistan and Iraq enter the US legally.
Congress has finally pried open AmericaÂ’s door to Iraqis and Afghans who have served this country at great risk. Congress needs to go a lot further, adding more visa slots and approving resettlement benefits that would allow these people to grab the lifeline the United States has been far too slow to offer.
Translators, interpreters and thousands of others have aided American troops and diplomats — and have become targets for militants. Under current American law, 500 Iraqis and Afghans per year who have worked for the United States armed forces for a year, may obtain special immigrant visas.
I remember 1975 very well, when I was a kid on Guam. I watched refugees stream into the temporary camps around the island as Saigon fell to the Communists, with planes landing on the runway only a mile from my house at NAS Agana. Many of these were Embassy employees and their families, or others who would be seen as collaborators by the Communists -- and countless others were left behind. We must not allow such a situation to happen ever again, where those who help us are abandoned.
There is legislation for a 10-fold increase in the number of people admitted from these countries. Congress should support it -- especially if Democrats are preparing to abandon Iraq as part of their policy of surrender and defeat in the face of victory.
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As Mitt Romney scours the South for endorsements from evangelical leaders, he is getting some unusual advice on how to explain his Mormon faith: Don't try to be one of us.
``I told him, you cannot equate Mormonism with Christianity; you cannot say, `I am a Christian just like you,''' said Representative Bob Inglis of South Carolina, which is scheduled to hold the first primary among the Southern states. ``If he does that, every Baptist preacher in the South is going to have to go to the pulpit on Sunday and explain the differences.''
This advice, which reflects the views of many Southern Baptists and other evangelicals, makes Romney's co-religionists bristle. ``The fact that we are Christians is non-negotiable,'' said Kim Farah, a spokeswoman for the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
What you have here is a twofold problem. On one level, you have the theological issue of how to classify Mormonism. Most Christians, and certainly most evangelicals, would struggle with classifying the LDS Church as within the pale of orthodoxy due to its distinctive theology and additional scriptural claims. There is serious room for theological discussion, but not in the context of a presidential campaign. Romney needs to dismiss the issue, regardless of the adamant claims of LDS authorities that Mormons are Christians. It just isn't relevant to Romney's needs as a candidate.
Besides, that issue isn't relevant to the presidential campaign. What Romney needs to do is focus on the shared values and policies, as well as his independence from official church control. That should be easy to do, given both the social conservative stance taken by the LDS Church and its long-standing history of recognizing the political independence of the Mormon faithful, including officeholders. But Romney needs to act soon on this issue, lest it continue to be a distraction.
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I don't think Romney would dismiss his Christian faith anymore than you would yours - And for a Christian to expect a person to deny their belief in Christ is something I find repulsive
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And I'm certainly not suggesting that he deny his faith. What I am suggesting -- along with many others -- is that he needs to emphasize the shared values rather than the disparate theology.
In 1960, JFK dealt a death-blow to the religion issue not by convincing people that Catholicism was right or that it was Christian (a serious question among the evangelicals of that day), but by dealing instead with the issues of the policies he would support and his independence from church control. Romney needs to do something similar, because otherwise the theological issues will overshadow the political ones.
It isn't an expectation that anyone deny their faith -- it is instead a need to emphasize what is important in a political campaign.
Kucinich Adopts Soviet Tactic
Those who disagree with him are not merely wrong, they are mentally ill!
Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich questioned President Bush's mental health in light of comments he made about a nuclear Iran precipitating World War III.
"I seriously believe we have to start asking questions about his mental health," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer's editorial board on Tuesday. "There's something wrong. He does not seem to understand his words have real impact."
Kucinich, known for his liberal views, trails far behind the leading candidates in most Democratic polls. He was in Philadelphia for a debate at Drexel University.
So I guess the next step is for Kucinich to insist that the President of the United States be subject to forced mental health treatment until he adopts policies more to the Ohio congressman's liking. I believe that was the tactic favored in the Soviet Union for many years -- but Kucinich is so far left that he probably finds nothing wrong with that.
Of course, there are those who think that Kucinich is as lacking in intellectual and political stature as he is in physical stature -- and one look at his website makes it clear that he might well have personal expertise in mental illness. After all, he thinks he is a serious presidential candidate, which is among the most delusional beliefs I've ever heard of.
Ex Post Facto?
Is it just me, or does this sound like an attempt by Barney Frank to impose an ex post facto liability burden on companies involved in subprime mortgages?
But the losses at Merrill and Countrywide show that the market economy is working as it's supposed to. Companies that made overly risky decisions are having to pay for them, and to adjust their business models accordingly. Over the long run, everyone should be better off as firms learn from the subprime mistake.
The question is whether market discipline is enough, or whether government needs to reinforce it. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) is working on a comprehensive bill that would impose legal liability on the "securitizers" of mortgage debt. Mr. Frank's proposal would let borrowers sue issuers of bonds that are backed by "no doc" mortgages or other products that do not meet "minimum standards for reasonable ability to pay." To those who suggest that this would chill the mortgage-backed securities market, Mr. Frank notes that the proposed penalties are not unduly onerous. The most a borrower could sue for would be cancellation of a loan and court costs; there are "safe harbor" provisions for securitizers who generally follow sound practices or offer to settle with a borrower out of court. And Mr. Frank candidly replies that, given the recent excesses, the market could use a little chilling.
Now let's consider this. The legislation would make actions that were legal and proper at the time the occurred a form of fraud today -- and allow those who knowingly and willingly entered into contracts sue to cancel their debts. I recognize that these are civil, not criminal penalties, but doesn't this seem to be at odds with our constitutional heritage -- imposing liability where none existed before? I hold no brief for the mortgage industry, but do shudder to think of the implications of this legislation.
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Romney Notes HillaryÂ’s Lack Of Experience
Frankly, Hillary Clinton lacks the basic qualifications to be President. She has never led anything of any significance, and her best known “accomplishments” were her failed health care plan, her questionable trading in cattle futures, and her smearing of those who correctly pointed to her husbands misdeeds as being part of a “vast right wing conspiracy”.
But now she and her campaign are upset over a single word.
Former Gov. Mitt Romney said last night that electing Hillary Clinton is akin to putting an “intern” in the job - a potentially loaded statement where a Clinton presidency is concerned.
In remarks that drew immediate fire from the Clinton camp, Romney said on Fox’s “Hannity and Colmes” last night, “She’s never had the occasion of being in the private sector, running a business, or, for that matter, running a state or a city. She hasn’t run anything, and the government of the United States is not a place for a president to be an intern.”
Frankly, Clinton may be a decent lawyer, but she has no management experience of the sort that would qualify her for the leadership of AmericaÂ’s executive branch. ThatÂ’s not to say that a single term legislator is unqualified for the office, but the junior Senator from New YorkÂ’s record is pretty sparse, and indicates no aptitude for the presidency.
Besides – if Hillary had been competent enough to do the jobk of an intern, the nation might have been spared the indignity of her husband’s impeachment.
NY Sun Refutes Chait and Surowiecki
In the last 50 years, every federal tax cut has produced increased revenue for the federal government. Repeated observation has shown that the connection exists, as surely as the connection between cigarettes and lung cancer, or consumption of alcohol and intoxication. ThatÂ’s why it is almost inexplicable that certain liberal writers have been out to debunk the connection between tax cuts and increased revenue.
As the Democrats prepare to attempt one of the largest tax increases in American history, their allies in the press corps are softening the ground with a campaign against the ideological underpinnings of the Bush tax cuts. People can debate any particular tax increase or tax cut. But the left-wing side of this debate is rolling out a new argument. In publicity material for a new book, "The Big Con: The True Story of How Washington Got Hoodwinked and Hijacked By Crackpot Economics," the author, Jonathan Chait, puts it this way: "The notion that tax cuts can cause revenue to rise, though now embraced by every leading Republican politician, is rejected by even the most conservative economists."
On the Web site of the New Yorker, the magazine's financial page columnist, James Surowiecki, writes, "The supply-side argument that, in the United States, tax-rate cuts pay for themselves — that, after cutting taxes, the government actually ends up with more revenue — has little or no support within the mainstream economic profession, and no hard empirical data to back it up." He likens it to "saying that the best way to treat sick people is to bleed them to let out the evil spirits."
Messrs. Chait and Surowiecki are playing fast and loose with the facts. The first few pages of Mr. Chait's book are packed with the names of economists who back supply side ideas — Arthur Laffer of the Laffer Curve, who has been on the faculties of Pepperdine, the Southern California, and Chicago; Robert Mundell, the 1999 Nobel Laureate who is a professor of economics at Columbia; Martin Feldstein of Harvard; Lawrence Lindsey, who was an associate professor at Harvard from 1984 to 1989; and Glenn Hubbard of Columbia.
Now the two authors are correct in their statement that not every tax cut will increase revenue. There is a point, which I do not see us as having reached yet, at which revenue will decline – otherwise a tax rate of 0% would produce infinite revenue. But to dismiss the idea that tax cuts produce more revenue as flawed is fundamentally wrong. But much like Al Gore does on the global warming issue, the two writers seek to define anyone who disagrees with them as being “outside the mainstream”, despite the fact that it is demonstrably untrue and also irrelevant. After all, truth is rarely determined by a majority vote.
The Sun then goes on to point out that the various GOP tax cuts have invariably been accompanied by increased revenues. That is empirical data, which the pro-tax Left attempts to explain away as the vagaries of the business cycle. Interestingly enough, though, the two phenomena seem to correlate so strongly that it is impossible to ignore the connection and dismiss it as mere coincidence.
But it is the conclusion that interests me the most.
Even framing the issue as primarily about government revenue, however, concedes the terms of the debate to the left-wingers — as The Great Bartley comprehended. No doubt crucial government activities need to be funded. But as the political season wears on, the candidates — and the journalists who follow them — will come into contact with more and more voters who when they think of "revenue" don't first think of the government's bottom line, but of their own household's. You don't need a Ph.D. or a seat on the faculty of an Ivy League university to know that tax cuts let individuals keep more of the money they have earned, allowing them to spend it as they see fit, rather than as some bureaucrat or lobbyist-influenced politician wants to spend it.
The right way for politicians to approach these issues is by putting the individual's wallet ahead of Washington's, an approach that puts property rights and incentives for hard work and growth ahead of government revenues. Understanding incentives has always been a key to the supply-side argument. It's good politics and good economics. While the Party's deep thinkers of today may dismiss it as hoodwinking, hijacking, crackpottery, or evil spirits, there was a time the Democrats were on the right side of the issue. Ask JFK. Our own prediction is that to the extent the tax issue drives the debate in 2008 — and we think it will be a big factor, though not the only one — the key point won't be which candidate wins the votes of the economics faculties, but which one can show voters he or she understands it's their money, and Washington should take as little as it possibly can.
Indeed, the assumption of Chait, Surowiecki and their ilk is that they begin with the assumption that your income is a government resource, and that the government should get first dibs on it. The reality, however, is different – we have a moral right to every penny of our income, though we relinquish a portion of it for NECESSARY government programs. That does not mean every idea proposed by the latest pandering politician seeking votes.
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Romney And Religion
Now I've indicated multiple times in the past that I am a Romney supporter. I've also indicated that I find his religion to be irrelevant to the issue of his fitness for office. So I agree, at least in part, with this column written by Martin Frost for FoxNews.
Sometimes things happen in American politics that make no sense at all. We are experiencing just one of those moments in the 2008 presidential campaign.
I thought that the concept of a religious test for public office in our country was put to bed once and for all when John Kennedy, a Catholic, was elected president in 1960 and Joe Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, was nominated for vice president in 2000.
Now we have a candidate with a record of accomplishment, Mitt Romney, who is consistently lagging in the polls with the most credible reason being that significant numbers of Republican primary voters will not support him because of his Mormon religion.
When voters, particularly in the South, are asked to identify candidates that they would not support for president under any circumstances, Romney leads the list. Romney is rejected as a potential presidential candidate in this type polling more often than other polarizing figures such as Rudy Giuliani. It has become increasingly clear that many conservative voters will not support an otherwise qualified candidate who happens to be a Mormon.
As a Democrat, I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney in the general election if he is nominated by the Republican Party. But IÂ’ll be damned if I can understand why he should be disqualified from seeking his partyÂ’s nomination because of his religion. This makes no logical sense in the worldÂ’s greatest democracy in the 21st century.
The question is, how many of those opposed to Mitt Romney are really opposed to him based upon his religion. In my experience, that number seems smaller thatn some in the media might like to make it. Pressed a little harder, most individuals who raise the Mormon issue will come back to questions about Romney's past positions on important issues, and wonder if he is really conservative enough. The religious issue simply becomes the tipping point for them, the one on which the question of shared values becomes decisive.
Now I think that such individuals are wrong -- but I don't think religious issues are necessarily irrelevant in making political choices. While I'll gladly vote for any Christian or Jew who supports my views on major issues, even I have a tipping point -- I don't know that I could bring myself to vote for an individual, for example, who was a Satanist, because our value systems would be too greatly at odds. Is that a wholly rational position, one consistent with my stated beliefs on religion and elections? Maybe not, but then I've never met anyone who was wholly consistent on the values they espouse.
There are those who will argue that the Constitution forbids religious tests for office. They are right, but they ignore what that restriction really means. That provision restricts government itself from requiring or forbidding certain beliefs or practices, but does not extend to the sanctity of the voting booth and the individual's weighing of a candidate's relative merits for office.
Now for all I find myself unable to accept Mormon religious doctrines (and I have studied them, having once been painfully smitten with a Mormon girl who would allow our relationship to progress no further unless I converted) and the historical roots of that faith, I have rarely met a Mormon whose fundamental decency I have doubted. That gives me a certain confidence that Romney's values and mine are congruent, even if not identical. It is why I can support his candidacy for president with a clear conscience, and why I can urge my fellow Americans (of whom my fellow Republicans are but one subset) to support him for the presidency in 2008.
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Gregg,
You are correct on both points; those seeking elected office have core values that we recognize, values which are a direct result of that persons religion or lack of a religion. While working as a police officer I had to ride partners with one fellow who was an atheist and very vocal about it. I asked my supervisor to limit the times we had to work as partners because, as I explained, I could not depend on the actions of the fellow based on our core values which were miles apart. We never had to ride as partners after that request. I’d ridden with officers who were Baptist, Methodist, and just about any other Christian denomination and we had many shared core values in spite of doctrinal issues which made for interesting conversation during a shift; but I didn’t have to concern myself with how they felt regarding the sacred gift of life. I think that may have been the key issue, the atheist had no regard for the sanctity of life, “you live, you die, no big deal”.
Posted by: T F Stern at Tue Oct 30 01:34:37 2007 (Ruh11)
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The GOP's most electable candidate gets a free pass in 08 because they have no one to challenge. It is so fun to watch Republicans validate a candidate that believes Jesus will return to Missouri and Jerusalem to reign when they won the election in 04 on a religious foundation. 04 was not about terror, security.
Now Romney comes along and most republicans are ok with his complete opposite view of most Christians i n the country because he has the bankroll and the good looks to challenge someone. Better look to 2012.
Posted by: PeachPit at Tue Oct 30 01:50:12 2007 (m9tb8)
This Would Be Awesome: Ted Olson for Virginia Senate Seat?
IÂ’m hearing rumblings that high-ranking Republicans want to coax former Solicitor General Ted Olson to run against Mark Warner in next yearÂ’s Virginia Senate raceÂ…
And it might still leave him in contention for a future Supreme Court seat – one which is richly deserved.
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This Is A Surprise?
Heck, the real news would be if she wasnÂ’t voting Republican.
Sorry, sister: Laura Bush says experience as First Lady may count, but she won't vote for Hillary Clinton just to see the first female President.
Putting party over gender pride yesterday, Bush said she wasn't at all conflicted over opposing the first woman with a real chance to break the marble ceiling.
"It doesn't matter to me - I hope it doesn't matter to other people," the First Lady said. "I hope that people will choose the candidate that they think really has the views that they want.
"I'll be supporting the Republican," Bush added on "Fox News Sunday."
Now letÂ’s see.
Republican wife of a sitting Republican president gets asked of she is going to vote for a Democrat in the upcoming election. What do you think she would say? The question itself is asinine.
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The Three Fallacies Of Single Payer Health "Insurance"
I think this really sums the matter up quite nicely, since the Democrats seem to believe that we have enough extra cash around to "insure" the health of every single American and any illegal alien able to sneak across the border.
The first fallacy should be obvious to anyone. The government does not have any extra money! In fact, our government owes $9 trillion, give or take a few billion. That is what we call the national debt, but really, it is not owed by the government; it is owed by you and me. Every time some politician gets another bright idea to give away a million dollars here or $250,000 there, it comes out of your pocket. DonÂ’t just believe me; ask your pocket.
The second fallacy may be more subtle. What is being called “health insurance” by the politicians is nothing of the sort. As we have already established, insurance is a financial gamble where you put money at risk on the chance that you will reap a reward later. Notice the word “risk.” But the only one assuming any risk in the “feel-good” version of insurance being proposed by Clinton, Obama, Edwards and the gang is the American taxpayer. What they are talking about is “free health care,” not insurance. But it is only free for the sick person; instead of them paying for their own care, you and I pay for it.
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Which brings us to the unstated third fallacy of the health-care debate, the one which is pivotal and sadly which is accepted as truth by the vast majority of people. It is this: If there is something that is good for me, I am entitled to it, whether I can afford it or not.
Put more simply:
1) We can't afford it.
2) It is socialism, not insurance.
3) It isn't a right.
Interestingly enough, medical care used to be affordable for the overwhelming majority of Americans. Then the government got involved in paying for it for those who couldn't? The result? Prices went up to the level that health insurance became a necessity for everyone else -- which drove costs still higher. After all, when you have to document every aspirin in triplicate and submit the paperwork to get reimbursed, that pill that costs a penny to buy does start to cost $4 to administer..
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Do you currently make health care decisions free of government control?
Posted by: Dan at Mon Oct 29 00:48:02 2007 (IU21y)
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We could afford it easier one would say if we weren't flushing money away everyday in Iraq. Health insurance groups have been on the same gravy train all big business has been on for the past 30 years - Democrat or Republican. Romney, Rudy, Hillary, they are all already bought and paid for. We have such a joke of a system.....
Posted by: PeachPit at Mon Oct 29 08:32:57 2007 (m9tb8)
And that it is not revealing of a great deal about the lawyer making the argument.
The first jury trial Mrs. Clinton handled on her own, for instance, concerned the rear end of a rat in a can of pork and beans. She represented the cannery, and she argued that there had been no real harm, as the plaintiff did not actually eat the rat. “Besides,” she wrote in her autobiography, describing her client’s position, “the rodent parts which had been sterilized might be considered edible in certain parts of the world.”
The jury seemed to buy her argument, more or less, as it awarded only token damages. But no one was particularly happy about the case or her performance. Her former partner, Webster L. Hubbell, told one of her biographers that she was “amazingly nervous” in speaking to the jury.
Tell me, friends, doesn't that sound like precisely the sort of argument that she would make in favor of socialized medicine?
Ron Paul Starts Radio Campaign
Well, looks like Ron Paul is going to try to expand his base beyond the internet lunatic crowd. Now he's trying to infect attract the general public with a radio and television campaign.
Hoping to defy more expectations, Rep. Ron Paul is ratcheting up his maverick Republican presidential campaign by launching TV and radio commercials in early primary states and setting an ambitious $12 million fundraising goal.
For a candidate often relegated by pundits to second- or third-tier status, Paul's ability to make a big entry into advertising wars is unusual.
With just over two months until the first primaries, experts question whether the libertarian-leaning congressman from Lake Jackson can expand his intense following to make a credible showing in these early contests.
Officials with Paul's campaign acknowledge they have an uphill battle, but say they plan to broaden his support with an advertising campaign that includes $1.1 million in television spots that begin airing Monday in New Hampshire.
Now the Paul campaign is sitting on a chunk of cash, and has apparently decided to use it to communicate his sometimes reasonable, sometimes bizarre message. That is great, because there are some positive points in his message, things that I do agree with. Unfortunately, he has become a magnet for every conspiracist, lunatic, and extremist out there, as I've pointed out more than once.
Since he'll take their endorsement and their money without comment, I wonder if any of his money will go to Stormfront Radio?
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As a lunatic residing on the internet, may I ask which position of Ron Paul's you find most b i z a r r e ? (I only spaced out that word because it freaked out your screening program for some reason)
It's often the case with Ron Paul haters that what then they say "Ron Paul's position on X is crazy" they really mean "I don't understand Ron Paul's position on X."
Posted by: FZappa at Sat Oct 27 02:44:05 2007 (O7n9v)
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Well, Mr. Zappa, since you are dead AND lack a real email address, you don't merit a response.
When you grow up and grow a pair, come back and we'll talk.
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Just another lunatic here mindlessly defending Ron Paul. I know you wish we'd all just go away but the fact is we're not going to.
Dr. Paul is the only candidate on the GOP side who is a true Republican. He is also the only candidate on either side who has a chance to defeat Clinton.
You can attempt to tie him to white supremacist groups if you wish but anyone who seeks out information concerning this man will quickly dismiss this and any other character assassination s.
I am not here to disrespect you or your blog. I just thought the white supremacist remark was ill founded.
Posted by: Lance Thibodeau at Sat Oct 27 03:27:40 2007 (7PGfv)
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He has been endorsed by white supremacists and refuses to reject their support.
One major white supremacist site, Stormfront, has links directly to Ron Paul's donation page -- and the campaign has not acted to have that link removed or to stop folks coming from Stormfront from donating (you know, by having their site refuse redirects from Stormfront).
He is now clearly tied to white supremacy by a donation from the fellow who runs Stormfront, which the campaign has not returned or donated elsewhere in an effort to cleanse itself from the link to racism.
Taken together, it is clear that Ron Paul welcomes white supremacists to his coalition. Speaking as a Republican, I can tell you that such a move is hardly indicative true Republicanism. Real Republicans reject racism and racists. It is therefore clear that Ron Paul is not a true Republican.
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I'm getting tired of having to rebut these slanderous articles. All Americans, no matter how crazy they may be, have a right to donate to whichever candidate they want. In fact, only crazy people and felons can't vote but I don't know if that stops them from donating. To me, donations are a form of free speech so no matter how hateful or absurd that speech may be it is still protected. Would I take the donations? Probably, not. But I'm not as strict about following the constitution as Dr. Paul is either.
With that said, can't you think of some better dirt to dig up? I'll even help you. These numbers are from the center for responsive politics at opensecrets.org:
Lobbyist donation totals at end of 3rd Quarter:
Hillary: $518K
McCain: $315K
Romney: $216K
Dodd: $212K
Giuliani: $206K
Ron Paul: $0.00
Casinos/Gambling:
Giuliani: $176K
McCain: $108K
Ron Paul: $3K
Commercial Banks:
Hillary: $920K
Obama: $879K
Giuliani: $603K
McCain: $585K
Romney: $583K
Dodd: $451K
Ron Paul: $29K
Oil & Gas Industries:
Giuliani: $541K
Romney: $296K
Clinton: $211K
McCain: $190K
Ron Paul: $30K - and he lives outside of Houston!
Hedge Funds & Private Equity:
Giuliani: $1.131 MILLION
Clinton: $971K
Obama: $950K
Romney: $946K
Dodd: $916K
Ron Paul: $5K
Securities & Investment Industries:
Clinton: $4.7 MILLION
Giuliani: $4.4 MILLION
Obama: $4.4 MILLION
Romney: $3.5 MILLION
Dodd: $2.6 MILLION
McCain: $1.8 MILLION
Ron Paul $82K
Lawyers & Law Firms:
Clinton: $9.2 MILLION
Edwards: $8.1 MILLION
Obama: $7.8 MILLION
Giuliani: $3.1 MILLION
Ron Paul: $76K
With that information... do you think you might be able to dig up a story a little more interesting than a couple of racist stormfront owners? We're talking millions of dollars here folks, not small potatoes like $500 or a couple thousand bucks. Perhaps some of the clients of the lawyers and lawfirms that make up Clinton's $9.2 Million dollars from that group have represented cases for neo-nazis? Or maybe corrupt drug industries? I'd say it's a pretty good bet.
-Christopher Burch
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 08:04:56 2007 (TbUMB)
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Perhaps you could look up who Rupert Murdoch donated to? Too lazy? Ok, I'll do it for you:
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Rupert_Murdoch.php
Seems like ol' Murdoch, the owner of Fox News, is a fan of Hillary for 2008. He's donated directly $2,300 to her run at the primary and indirectly to "Friends of Hillary" in 2006. I wondered why Fox News keeps propping up the totally un-electable Rudy Giuliani while at the same time discrediting Dr. Paul as much as possible. The debate questioners are making a point to ask questions about Hillary as much as possible. They're subtly convincing America of Hillary's inevitability and they're very good at it. Fact is that Paul cuts to the "left" of Hillary on the war and to the "right" on everything else. He's got perhaps the most electable position on nearly every issue of any candidate in decades. This is a real danger for Hillary and it explains a lot about Fox News' actions this year.
-Christopher Burch
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 08:18:15 2007 (TbUMB)
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Convicted Felon Martha Stewart:
$4,600 to Hillary Clinton.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/18/the-vanity-fair-_n_68910.html
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 08:29:54 2007 (TbUMB)
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Will you explain how telling the truth about who a candidate takes money from is slanderous?
By the way, all candidates have the right to reject donations from those they find morally or politically repugnant.
That Ron Paul is keeping the money from Stormfront referrals and Stormfront's owner is proof that he does not find racists like the neo-Nazis and White Supremacists at Stormfront to be all that objectionable.
Which in turn tells us just how objectionable Ron Paul really is.
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Oh, and Christopher, I life outside Houston, too -- and am in the last precinct north of Ron Paul's congressional district.
Why isn't he getting the oil and gas money? Because these folks know Ron Paul! The fact that folks who know him and have dealt with him -- folks who live in his district -- won't give to him should cause you to ask some questions.
And by the way -- if you are arguing that everyone has a right to give money to campaigns, what is your point in listing who got what from whom? After all, by the standard you set, those numbers are irrelevant and mean nothing. Why are you making "slanderous" comments on my website when "all Americans, no matter how crazy they may be, have a right to donate to whichever candidate they want." Are you trying to suppress the rightful political participation of people in these various industries?
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The author is trying to paint Dr. Paul as being a racist or extremist because he doesn't reject every objectionable donation he gets:
"Unfortunately, he has become a magnet for every conspiracist, lunatic, and extremist out there, as I've pointed out more than once..."
While technically I guess you could say it isn't "slanderous" it is definitely a smear tactic. It is also rather unfair because "as he's pointed out more than once" he doesn't seem to give a proportional amount of time to scrutinizing the other candidates. It is actually rather hard to go through Dr. Paul's history and find negative stuff about him so the fact that people bring up a couple of racist donations while turning a blind eye to the other candidates makes me think that this is a smear campaign against Paul for reasons that I can't determine. What are the motives behind these articles? Is it to tell information that we truly need to know about Dr. Paul? Why doesn't he spend more time trying to find out if convicted felons (like Martha Stewart) are donating to anybody? These are questions that should be asked of all journalists that purposefully put out articles that show a good deal of bias in their reporting.
-Christopher Burch
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 08:45:15 2007 (TbUMB)
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He gets lots of donations from his district in his congressional elections. He has historically had a 3-1 advantage in fund raising in his district even without any support from the Republican party. I'm making the case that "Big Oil" isn't donating a lot to him.
I'm listing all of those other contributions to give balance to the attack on Paul and so you can go and find other things to complain about the other candidates for. If you're telling me that in a collection of no less than 2,000 law firms you can't find any dirt in there where they've defended neo-nazis, corrupt medical companies, or anything else? It is apparent that you have a vendetta against Dr. Paul and I am curious why. I don't think it has anything to do with stormfront. How do you know so much about stormfront anyways? I've never been to their website.
-Christopher
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 08:53:51 2007 (TbUMB)
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Other notable felon/unsavory/"conflict of neutrality in news" reporting donors:
Tony Sirico, convicted felon, mob ties to colombo crime family: $1,000 to Rudy Giuliani.
Peter Cherin, News Corp. (Fox News) President and COO, $4,600 to Hillary, $2,100 each to Obama and Dodd.
Barry Diller, IAC (media), $4,600 to Clinton and McCain, $2,300 to Biden
Norman Shu... do I really need to talk about it?
Ivan Seidenberg, verizon chariman (media)(illegal federal wiretapping), ceo, $2,300 to Hillary, $2,100 to McCain
I'm tired of looking, there's more if you really want to go check.
Sure these people are allowed to donate but I think due to their status as media executives or convicted criminals they should also have their donations returned if you're going to make Dr. Paul return his stormfront ones. Am I wrong?
-Christopher
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 09:36:20 2007 (TbUMB)
13Sure these people are allowed to donate but I think due to their status as media executives or convicted criminals they should also have their donations returned if you're going to make Dr. Paul return his stormfront ones. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are -- and if you cannot see why, there isn't enough time in the world to explain why. After all, if you cannot differentiate between those who espouse the philosophy of Adolf Hitler and media executives, it is clear that you are substantially lacking in the moral compass department.
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How many times in the last 6 years has Fox allowed the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" to be uttered? I don't care how you paint it - it never comes with a declaration that only 5% of Muslims might actually be terrorists. That is a direct attack on the Muslim population and it is no different than Hitler's attacks on the Jews. I tend to lump the neo-nazis along with the neo-conservatives in that they are all racist, war-mongering folk and if you can't see that than you, sir, are "lacking in the moral compass department".
How do you know so much about stormfront??? I am still very curious about that. I wouldn't even know where to begin looking to find out that kind of information about a presidential candidate.
-Christopher
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 10:25:50 2007 (TbUMB)
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That Ron Paul is being pushed by Stormfront? Look at the webpage and the video above.
Who the owner of the site is? Public records.
What he has given to Ron Paul? Again, public records.
And that you would make the comment you do regarding neo-conservatives that you do is proof positive that, in addition to a moral compass, you also lack a functioning brain.
And as for Islamic terroism -- when terrorism is committed in the name of Islam, that is the appropriate name for it. Especially when large proportions of the Muslims around the world are supportive of it. For you to equate truthful statements about the connection between Islam and terrorism with false statements about the Jews is frightening.
Oh, and as for you "only 5%" comment -- by my math, that still comes in at 50 million terrorists. That you, Ron Paul, and the bulk of his supporters seem to side with them is pretty telling, and sufficient to explain why he should be defeated in this election and driven from American public life.
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Do you propose that we go slaughter 50 million people on suspicion of being terrorists? Not even including collateral damage it would take to kill them all? This is the racism against Islam I am talking about. It is at least as dangerous as Hitler.
Posted by: Christopher Burch at Sat Oct 27 11:05:11 2007 (TbUMB)
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Funny, I never suggested any such thing. If your assumption is that my statement equates to a call to "slaughter 50 million people" to defend our nation, then you are clearly not in contact with reality.
On the other hand, am I quite willing to see our military bring about the deaths of any individual who seeks to attack our country? Damn straight I am, without apology.
And by the way, your heartfelt concern over collateral damages would have required you, philosophically, to oppose US participation in WWII after we were attacked. Methinks I see why you object to my comments about Ron Paul and Stormfront.
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Dhimmicrats Allow Candidates To Appear In Michigan
But only for one special group – Arabs/Muslims. If you are a Christian, a Jew, a Hispanic, or an African-American in Michigan, the Democrat presidential candidates are not allowed to seek your vote.
Hundreds of Arab-Americans and members of the Washington political establishment will meet in Dearborn this weekend for a national conference amid concerns that while Arab-Americans are increasingly courted for votes, attempts also are made to exclude them from the public discourse.
The sessions are considered significant enough that the Democratic chairs of the party in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina extended a singular exemption from a ban on candidates campaigning in Michigan -- in a dispute over scheduling the primary -- so that candidates could attend the National Leadership Conference of the Arab American Institute, beginning today.
Can we get someone to file a complaint with the US Department of Justice over this issue? It is a clear violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, granting special political privileges to one ethnic/religious group that are not extended to other Americans.
NYTimes Whines On SCHIP
After all, the President has proposed an increase, just not the gargantuan expansion of the health insurance program for poor kids to include adults and middle class kids, too.
And Republicans in Congress have proposed an even bigger increase than the President -- but again, keeping the program for poor kids, not the children of families making $60K a year.
But that isn't enough for the NYTimes, which has the audacity to complain about the president being driven by ideology.
The House approved a revised bill to finance the children’s health insurance program yesterday by a 265-to-142 margin — a strong mandate, but still not enough to overcome another promised veto by President Bush.
If the president carries out this threat, we hope Congressional tacticians can find a way to enact this important measure over the adamant, ideologically driven opposition of Mr. Bush and House Republican leaders. The health of millions of children who lack insurance cannot be held hostage to the presidentÂ’s visceral distaste for government and its essential role to protect the weak, or his desire to protect the tobacco industry.
Desire to protect the tobacco industry? Where does that one come from?
And is it just me, or is the complaint by the editors of the New York Times to ideologically driven positions on policy issues somewhat akin to complaints about from a hooker about the loose sexual morality of women in contemporary society?
Andrew Sullivan -- Hypocrite
The fine conservative site RedState recently announced its decision to ban comments favoring Ron Paul by newly registered members, based upon a documented problem with the Ronulans. Whether or not this is the correct move is subject to debate, but it is hard to call teh decision illegitimate in light of the behavior of many Ron paul supporters around the internet.
Erickson thinks that they're a human political cocktail of Code Pink activists and Neo Nazis, and he doesn't expect them to vote for anyone other than Paul.
All thinks that a lot of them are those who buy into Paul's message of limited government and fiscal responsibility.
I don't think I qualify as a Neo-Nazi or a Code Pink activist. Full Wired story here. But here's a simple message to Ron Paul supporters. You're welcome here. The Dish believes in expanding the range of debate among conservatives, not crushing it. And any cursory look at the degenerate state of American conservatism would not lead you to think your problem is too much diversity of opinion.
Really, Andrew? That's odd -- you don't allow comments at all from anyone, though you do allow trackbacks.
Tell me, sir, how your no-comment site promotes dialogue and debate. Seems to me that your comment-free zone stifles that debate. As such, I hope you don't mind if I refer to this as a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy on your part.
Ron Paul Takes Nazi Cash!
Matt, David, and the rest of the folks at LoneStarTimes.com have dug up what ought to be a big scandal -- Ron Paul is taking campaign cash from Nazis, including the owner of the biggest neo-Nazi site on the internet (and the current husband of the former Mrs. David Duke).
A LoneStarTimes.com investigation has conclusively established that a leading figure in the American neo-Nazi / White-Supremacist movement has provided financial support to Ron PaulÂ’s 2008 Presidential campaign.
The individual in question is Don Black, the founder, owner and operator of Stormfront, a “white power” website that both professional journalists and watch-dog groups have identified as the premier English-language racist/hate-site on the Internet.
Now LST has been raising the issue of links to Paul's website (including a fundraising widget) from Stormfront for some time now, without response from the Paul campaign. Paul has not renounced support from white supremacists like Black and Stormfront, despite his campaign being made aware of the links from the racist site. Furthermore, Paul's association with (and courting of) 9/11 Truthers, rabid anti-Zionists, and militia supporters clearly walks him to the extreme fringe of American politics -- right to the very neighborhood inhabited by the neo-Nazis.
Interestingly enough, Ron Paul supporters commenting at LST are defending the acceptance of white supremacist cash, and arguing that LST is in the wrong for revealing the connection.
Will Ron Paul do the right thing in this case? Or will he keep the cash, thereby verifying that he is the candidate of the freaks, weirdos and nutjobs of the internet?
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Giuliani took money from corporations like Goldman Sachs. Should he give that back?
Who cares who associates with Ron Paul? It's not like he's embracing them. Ron Paul is also polling highest with blacks. Clearly his message is extraordinarily racist.
What a silly blog post.
Posted by: Hotchney at Thu Oct 25 13:15:02 2007 (E3YOH)
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I've got no problem with Goldman Sachs -- but I guess you do, given that the name is so Jewish.
And I guess you have no problem with Nazis and white supremacists. Tells us everything there is to say about Ron Paul supporters like you.
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Ha, you fool. Always trying to play the race card. You sound like a liberal. Then again you're probably supporting Giuliani so you are one. I have no problem with Goldman- Sachs. I just don't like voting for candidates who are manipulated by special-interests. Giuliani is knee deep in them. Of course, you don't care about that. Who cares if our politicians are honest. As long as they don't take money from private citizens with racist backrounds.
Right.
Posted by: Hotchney at Thu Oct 25 13:28:54 2007 (E3YOH)
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Odd -- I conclude from your support for Ron Paul's keeping donations from a Nazi and your gratuitous reference to a company founded by Jews that you must be a bigot yourself.
You, on the other hand, take my objection to racism and anti-Semitism to be signs that I am a liberal, that I support a particular candidate, and that I don't care about government corruption. On all three points you are wrong.
That is precisely the problem with Ron Paul supporters -- their fact-free view of the world.
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This is getting stupid. How do you propose we go about eliminating problems like white supremacists donating money to candidates? Having all donors pass a background check first? What is to stop a white supremacist from donating to any campaign? I bet some have donated to Romney's campaign, as there is a strong white supremacist streak in the LDS community around Utah and Idaho. I oughta know: I lived there. Somehow though, I don't think that concerns you. Somehow, I think you just *enjoy* attempting to trash Ron Paul's campaign.
Whatever.
Makes me glad I dropped out of politics. Who needs politicians anyway?
Posted by: Gene at Thu Oct 25 13:36:48 2007 (4RKkJ)
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Actually, you guys have developed an almost religious faith in Ron Paul. No wonder you treat criticism of the man the same way Muslims treat criticism of Muhammad.
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In other words, you don't have any evidence but are willing to throw out the charge, defaming the man's religion in the process.
Find a white supremacist donor to Romney and I bet he returns it.
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A fact free view of the world? Right.
And the ideas from people like Giuliani to prance around the world nation-building, wasting trillions of dollars we don't have is fact-imbued? I never thought following the constitution was such a bad idea, although liberals like yourself seem to think that it is a bad idea.
Posted by: Hotchney at Thu Oct 25 14:25:47 2007 (E3YOH)
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I'm no liberal, despite your willingness to keep throwing around the charge.
And I'm no Giuliani supporter, despite your insistence that I am.
Like I said -- you live in a fact-free world. And like most of your Ronulan ilk, you insist upon defaming and insulting anyone who does not bow down before the altar of Ron Paul.
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I don't insist you bow down. I do refute your preposterous accusation that Ron Paul supporters live in a fact free world. Some may; most don't.
Who do you support? Or will you not say because you're ashamed of supporting them? Is it tax-hike mike? Or Fred "Uh" Thompson? I had hope for Thompson - until he got into the race. Whew what a dud.
Posted by: Hotchney at Thu Oct 25 16:36:14 2007 (E3YOH)
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Actually, you've refuted nothing. You've yet to offer any proof that I am wrong.
And I've endorsed my candidate on this site more than once -- and the fact that you have no idea who it is constitutes proof that you don't have any facts on your side when you make your assertions.
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Today, a life form on AM radio named Michael Meth-head, Med-head, Dead-head, Medved, whatever, claimed that if I googled Ron Paul and Nazis, that I'd find really disturbing facts which Ron Paul needs to acknowledge, etc. The highest ranked site was from Daily Kos and was some bimbo who correctly claimed that Ron Paul was NOT a Nazi and then went on to make idiotic arguments that his foreign policy views were worse than Rudy's because even though Ron Paul is AGAINST the war, he's against it for the wrong REASONS (WTF??!?!?!? Who GIVES a sh*t??!!!). The second highest ranked site for those two phrases was you. All I can say is that if Michael In-bred believes that Ron Paul is a Nazi because he's actually taken cash from them, then he's really not very bright. He's taken money from Strippers for Ron Paul - does that make this Lutheran ultra-gentleman (who will never go with a woman unaccompanied by witnesses he's so in love with his wife and so old-school) a Stripper or a supporter of such practices themselves as opposed to the RIGHTS of women to engage in such professions? You all are stupid, stupid, stupid.
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All I can say, Robert, is that your comments and your website prove that you are, in fact, a moron.
Interestingly enough, you don't dispute the fact that he takes money from Nazis. You can't. A true "Lutheran ultra-gentleman" would repudiate such money and support.
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The fact is, Ron Paul is not a serious candidate. and the fact that he takes money from NAZI white supremists, is wrong because they are criminals. We are not talking just a regular Joe Blow who happens to know a Nazi, He has taken money from well known....very well known names. Hmmm kind of sounds like Clinton's taking money from Chinese communists! All of the freaks I see waving "google Ron Paul" signs prove that he is associating with the freaks!! can't wait till he is out.
Posted by: sage at Fri Nov 2 01:24:49 2007 (J5C6/)
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Just because a neo-Nazi contributed funds to the Ron Paul campaign doesn't make Ron Paul a neo-Nazi. The neo-Nazis believe very strongly in Jesus Christ. Does this make Jesus a neo-Nazi? I think not.
Posted by: TruthAndReason at Sun Nov 4 14:57:18 2007 (w5Ju6)
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You'll notice that I never accused Ron paul of being a neo-Nazi, because i know that he isn't. I instead noted that he is taking money from such folks for his campaign.
But since you raised the question, let's put the question to you: Would Jesus keep campaign donations from a neo-Nazi?
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What does it matter where money cames from, Little old ladies, Nazis or if it falls out of the sky. Money is money, it all spends the same.
With this mosey Ron Paul can buy media publicity, and get his message out, which you admit is not a Pro-Nazi nor even a Nazi-friendly message.
You say they are criminals, but if that was the case the funds would be wired in from jail cells, to say other wise is to assume guilt without a fair trial, which is unconstitutional.
So long as Nazi are not actively breaking the Law, the constitutions says we must grant them the liberty to stomp around in jackboots and make absurd racial proclamations, they may even Hitler Solute each other and anyone else they feel like.
That is what freedom and liberty means.
If these Neo-Nazis where breaking the law, then Ron Paul would have every reason to turn them in to the police and hand the money over as evidence. However, there is no crime is expressing ones liberty to donate money to any individual or organization one chooses.
If a Nazi organization gives a huge check to the Salvation army, should they use that money to feed the poor, or give it back to the Nazi, who will use it to buy svastikas, and I don't know ropes to lynch minorities, or torches to burn down black churches.
Personally, I think the money is in better hands with Ron Paul, and it would be irresponsible of him to put money back into the hands of racists.
Posted by: Clocktower at Wed Nov 14 19:35:51 2007 (/T4xS)
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Well, Clocktower, thanks for the canned response that in no way responds to what i wrote.
1) I nowhere say that Nazis are criminals.
2) I nowhere say that Ron paul is not pro-Nazi or Nazi-friendly.
3) I nowhere say that they don't have the right to engage in their disgusting displays of ignorance and racism.
4) While Nazis have the right to participate in politics, no candidate is required to accept their money. Ron Paul could choose not to associate with known neo-Nazis. That he chooses to do so calls into question his ethics and morality -- if he has any.
5) I do say that Ron Paul is the candidate of freaks and weirdos, and proves this by courting their support and accepting their money. Your arguments are one more example of the truth of that asertion.
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sage said they are criminals.
Explain how exactly, allowing someone to give you money over the internet is the same as associating with them. Its not like he went out of his way to appeal to Nazis, or that he takes there money as a bribe to support Nazi-agendas in congress or as president.
you fail to address that every dollar a nazi gives to Ron Paul, is one less dollar they can use to support acts of hate.
I admitted that you agreed that Paul is not pro-Nazi. My question is what is wrong with taking money from Nazis, that they would use for evil, and turning that money into good use?
Rather like the old justification for dealing with evil spirits, that the magician is forcing the demons of hell to perform the righteous works of heaven. Transmuting evil into good. (Lead into GOLD)
Are you an inquisitionist who fears Paul is engaging in dibolatry or alchemy, which is a threat to the magical authority of your chosen Pope (candidate)?
You tell me what is weird about people keeping their own money, using it as they want to, learning to support themselves rather than rely on welfare.
What is weird about the ideal that if we stay out of other nations internal affairs (regardless of the potential benefit to us) they will respect us enough to stay out of ours. That forming trade inter-dependence will keep nations people from attacking us because af the mutual benefit.
What is crazy about tying money down to a solid defined value, rather that supporting run away inflation that maken prices raise, then minimum wage goes up, then prices raise again, each time minimum wage goes up, it is less than before and the only makes a difference for about a year before price goes up. Many businesses cant keep giving raises and go under. people lose jobs and get welfare + social security, thin makes more inflation.
Some one has to put an end to it, maybe not Ron Paul, but he is all we have an this time.
Posted by: clocktower at Thu Nov 15 05:23:17 2007 (/T4xS)
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I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I don't agree with or associate with racists and/or white supremacists.
And Ron Paul doesn't either.
You say "Ron Paul could choose not to associate with known neo-Nazis. That he chooses to do so calls into question his ethics and morality -- if he has any." He's not associating with neo-Nazis. The only reason you view it that way is because you don't like Ron Paul. He doesn't go to dinner with neo-Nazi's. He doesn't go to fund raisers of theirs. He doesn't go to their parties or celebrate holidays with them.
You also say "I do say that Ron Paul is the candidate of freaks and weirdos, and proves this by courting their support and accepting their money." This is the canned response by people that dislike Ron Paul, big deal. It's old, and it's just using the liberal trick of name calling when you don't have anything intelligent to say. If you want to debate his politics then debate them. But when you use name calling as a tactic against someone you disagree with you just sound like a little brat that isn't getting his way.
You're using the fact that Ron Paul has accepted donations from them that he therefore supports everything they stand for, which is untrue. Or maybe you think due to their donations that he's going to do things for them or something...which again is untrue.
It really doesn't matter how much people against Ron Paul bring up things like this, we believe in HIS message. We don't believe in the message of his donors.
It's the same for the supporters of every other candidate out there. You can bring up negative things about Hillary Clinton for example, but no matter what it is Clinton supporters will still be Clinton supporters.
So keep up the "against Ron Paul" campaign, because it doesn't matter. His supporters are for smaller government, the end of the welfare state, protection of our borders, adherence to the Constitution, and liberty...no matter who donates money to his campaign.
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Fri Nov 16 01:07:48 2007 (cjyBY)
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"Would Jesus keep campaign donations from a neo-Nazi?"
So now you're acting as though you know what Jesus would do?
You have no idea what Jesus would do. No one does. That question is irrelevant and ridiculous.
I could say "Yes, he'd keep the money and give it to the poor".
You could say "No, he'd never keep the money! He'd throw it in their faces and damn them to hell!"
Who's right? No one knows.
If you disagree with Ron Paul's politics, let's hear it. What do you disagree with and why?
Most Ron Paul Paranoids like yourself don't debate the issues honestly, you simply call him and his supporters names because you disagree with his political philosophy.
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Fri Nov 16 01:15:42 2007 (cjyBY)
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Also, there's a good response by the Lone Star Times, one of the many publications that raised this issue. They actually spoke with someone from the Ron Paul campaign about the support of these neo-nazi groups.
I won't go into detail, you can read the article here:
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/30/rpb2/
One thing I want to point out is something said by the Ron Paul campaign in regards to Don Black, the leader of a racist group that donated $500 to his campaign:
"Until three days ago, neither Dr. Paul nor anyone else in the campaign had any idea who Don Black was or is. WeÂ’ve never met or communicated with him. We did not solicit his support.
It is certainly unfortunate that the campaignÂ’s donation banner is on his site. WeÂ’re not rushing to spend a lot of time reading whatÂ’s over there, but what youÂ’ve described is certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for."
That's right...they said it's "certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for"
I know some people, however, will never forgive him unless he performs some action (gives the money back, gives it to charity, openly declares he's not a supporter of them, etc). Others will just never forgive him and continue to bash him because they don't like him, but that's expected from the Ron Paul Paranoid group.
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Fri Nov 16 01:41:02 2007 (cjyBY)
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There is still the unaddressed point that if he were to give the money back to the Nazis it would be no different than if he wrote them a check of his awn and handed it to a Nazi support charity. Either way, its putting money into the hands of Nazis. It doesn't matter if you give Nazis new money, or give them back their own money which they had written off as an expense, they still have money to spend on something evil, that they did not have before.
If Hitler gave me a million dollars I would keep it, if a homeless old woman gave me her last dime, I would give it back. Thats ethics as I see it, take money from evil people, give it to good people who need it.
Posted by: clocktower at Fri Nov 16 05:04:59 2007 (/T4xS)
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As noted at LoneStarTimes.com in the original article, the best choice Ron Paul could make is to give it to a Jewish charity.
At this point, though, Ron Paul can just keep the cash as far as i am concern. he has shown himself to be a man with no moral values or standards -- as have his followers here.
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Why should he give it to any kind of charity?
Once the specific $500 left Nazi hands and entered the collective funds of Ron Paul, It lost all association with Nazis, its just money now.
If 300 people each give me a dollar, the history of each dollar is voided, its now just a collective $300, not $300 individual dollar bills with different histories.
If Ron Paul was to give the $500 to a jewish charity, how do we know that those are the exact same dollar bills the Nazis gave him and not some other dollars that came from an honest reputable American.
Is it right to give an honest mans dollars to a charity he does not want to support, just to strike some kind of symbolic gesture to some other dishonest Nazi, that are in no way related to the honest man?
I say any money Ron Paul gets for his campaign is to be used for his campaign, so that he can win the election, and show his anti-Nazi merit in the white house.
Posted by: clocktower at Fri Nov 16 14:14:29 2007 (/T4xS)
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No, Nazi-lovin' Ron Paul can keep his corrupt cash as he goose-steps into oblivion.
After all, he will lose the nomination -- and his House seat.
He's shown he is a man with no morals.
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well being a Nazi is not a crime in America, and that means no matter your personal feelings, you treat Nazis just like anyone else.
That is what America means, it mean love and respect for people even if you don't like what they stand for of choose to do with their time. Fine Nazis hate people, as such they are bad Americans. America does not just mean that legally and politically we allow freedom, it means personally on an individual level we tolerate any behavior up until it breaks the law, that is it causes a direct threat or use of force backed coercion on a specific person.
America is a mentality of the people to accept even blatant anti-liberty attitudes and behaviors from others. As to hate the haters is only more hatred and that is just as unAmerican as to hate in the first place.
By reaching the hand of friendship and mutual brotherhood even to Nazis, Criminals, rapists, Drug dealers, and such ilk, we can offset the pain, fear and humiliation that fuels their misanthropic hatred of some or all of their fellow human beings.
By throwing money back in their faces you only serve to reinforce their belief that they are hated outsiders, who are special and can only gain acceptances by killing their oppressors, or justifiably exploiting other human being.
But when we offer unconditional respect a funny thing happens these Nazis begin to feel like they belong, like others care about them. They begin to feel connected to humanity, they gain self respect, and little by little they learn to respect others. They learn to trust others, even other races, and to give up rationalizing their fear and distrust with racist words. The become ashamed of their shaved heads and svastika tatoos, and like Alex at the end of A Clockwork Orange (Brittish version) they repent their anti-social ways.
And all because people were nice to them, despite their attempts to alienate themselves, with displeasing opinions and behaviors to push others away.
Its called Psychology, read about it
Posted by: clocktower at Fri Nov 16 19:13:32 2007 (/T4xS)
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And that is where you are wrong, clocktower.
While Nazis are not criminals in this country, decent people do not 'treat[them] just like anyone else."
Decent human beings disassociate themselves from them and shun them as unfit companions and supporters.
They refuse to do business with them and do not take their money in trade or as contributions.
They show their abhorrence of their reprehensible ideas and philosophy at every turn -- just as they do with Communists and others who hold to the murderous agenda that the twin evils of the twentieth century attempted to bring about.
That Nazis are just fine with you shows the degree of your moral failings -- and that Ron Paul gladly takes Nazi cash shows he is not a man of right principles.
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Right morals is to love your enemy, its in the bible, read your bible!
Posted by: clocktower at Sat Nov 17 02:55:44 2007 (/T4xS)
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So now I have a RonPauLunatic here who wants to impose biblical morality on us? Seems to me that is quite a contrast from the message of freedom you clowns tell us you are for.
And by the way -- the Bible also tells us to treat those who are persistent in sin as unbelievers. I'd argue Nazism is a pretty big sin.
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I don't actually care what it says in the bible.
Just that the basic Premise Jesus worked under is has proven correct.
That is people do hurtful things because they are themselves hurt "spiritually" which is to say emotionally/psychologically.
Therefore we should seek to heal those who behave in such ways, not provoke them further by justifying their delusions of mistreatment.
Or rather making their delusions of mistreatment and inferiority into self fulfilled prophesies.
Their is nothing a Nazi type wants more than for you to hate him, to spit on him and curse him under your breath. Because this gives him reason to hate you, because he says to him self everyone is against me because I am special, me and by white brothers are elite agents of truth against Jewish lies.
If you throw money back into his face, he will take it as proof you are part of the Jew conspiracy, and then pat himself on the back for outing you as a Race Traitor or some such thing.
Thus all you would do is further his racist beliefs.
Do you think it is a good moral principle to encourage Racists in their racism? I should not think so.
Posted by: clocktower at Sat Nov 17 15:00:28 2007 (/T4xS)
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Gee, clocktower, what a load of claptrap.
If you and Ron Paul want to stand with the Nazis and their wounded psyches, feel free to do so.
Me? I'll stand with the Jews, the blacks, and the other victims of Nazi racism. And if the Nazis claim I'm part of a Jewish conspiracy, I'll simply respond that I am instead a part of a conspiracy of the decent against the indecent.
Too bad you and Ron Paul can't say the same -- and it is good of you two to prove that you are willing to love the Nazis for fun and profit..
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I guess you never heard of hate the behavior not the person.
You certainly don't understand Adler.
And you seem so concerned about ureal things like making moral points, over real things physical paper money which is not tainted with Nazi cooties or any such actual physical harm.
Posted by: clocktower at Sat Nov 17 20:17:40 2007 (/T4xS)
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Guys, knock yourself out hangin' with the Nazis.
Moral people disassociate themselves from such scum.
That you don't indicates that you are severely lacking in moral values.
No doubt you would celebrate a donation from bin Laden. Oh, that's right, you folks don't think he was behind 9/11.
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If Bin laden gave me money, how does that further his agenda?
Im not going to do Terrorist things. But I will have money it my bank, I can pay my Bills, get a nice car, travel the world, whatever.
I don't care where my money comes from, so long as they don't come knocking for favors.
If the Nazi offer be a bribe, I will not take it. If they leave it on my door step, unsolicited, then its mine.
Posted by: clocktower at Sun Nov 18 13:07:57 2007 (/T4xS)
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Whether or not it would advance his agenda, the mere fact that you would knowingly keep it is indicative of the depth of your moral depravity.
As is Ron Paul's decision to knowingly keep money from these Nazis.
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how does keeping money that a terrorist gives me hurt anyone?
If no one gets hurt, who doesn't want to get hurt, there is nothing immoral.
Taking money from a criminal, is not a criminal act.
If you petition the criminal to steal for you, then accepting that money is being an accomplice.
What should we do, burn any money that has ever touched a Nazi's hands because its got cooties now?
What if I run a grocery store, should I refuse to allow Nazi's to buy bread, on the grounds that I best not touch their poisoned money?
Sure if everyone stopped taking money from known Nazi's that would make it hard for them to keep being Nazi's, but they are not defined as criminals so their is no legal reason to starve and alienate them. In fact refusal to do business with them is probably a crime, Ironically it would be discrimination.
Even if not a crime, it would put them on welfare to the state, and your taxes would go to by them groceries.
Is that what you want?
Either accept money from Nazi's or else the government mafia will steal your tax dollars to buy bread for Nazi's.
Posted by: clocktower at Mon Nov 19 04:45:43 2007 (/T4xS)
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No, what I want is no welfare state -- and for folks to so marginalize the Nazis that they starve in the streets.
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This is America and everyone has a right to live his life as he feels fit, even the liberty to be a complete bastard if he wants, and face no persecution for it.
That is the whole point of America, its a place where freaks, misfits, the eccentric, the puritanical, loons, goons, and bastards can come to be free of social oppression and ridicule.
In America, Nazis are welcome to express their views and be as they want, so long as they dont hurt anyone else. If they want to have a privite Whites only plot of land and teach racist doctrines and instill fear and hatred, they are free to do so. So long as they legally abtain the land, and demonstrate peacefully, they are welcome in America, the land where all misfits co-exist in peace.
It is only if a specific individual performs an act of harm or use of coercive force against another individual, that the government exists to step in and keep the peace.
America is a land of individuals, you are not accused by affiliation with groups. Only Individual acts are judged.
An American is an individual human being first and foremost, and is not ever required to be a patriot of the Government. The Government protects the rights even and I would say especially, of those who would criticize the Governments actions that seek it empower itself rather that protect the absolute liberty of the individual.
America is not an ideal delegated to the government, it mush burn in the hearts of ever man, woman, and child. That Ideal is not obedience to the government, it is not love of the nation. It is the ideal of Absolute total liberty of each individual beholden to no group or authority, but FREE in his own right, which is not granted by power or authority but is an inherent liberty.
This liberty is a mutual liberty that one keeps for oneself only by granting it to others. The instant you persecute a NAZI, you give up a piece of your own liberty.
Posted by: clocktower at Mon Nov 19 14:03:54 2007 (/T4xS)
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They are legally welcome to express their views -- and I am legally permitted to express my abhorrance for them. That includes refusing to associate with them in any manner -- personal, political, religious, and economic.
Furthermore, that means that I am free to attempt to persuade others to do the same.
Unless, of course, you are proposing that ONLY Nazis have rights in your warped version of America.
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Rhymes with Right, you're full of it.
"and that Ron Paul gladly takes Nazi cash shows he is not a man of right principles."
Ron Paul doesn't GLADY TAKE NAZI CASH. His people have said as much. They can't screen all of their donors other than to make sure they're not illegal contributions (unlike Hillary). It would take too much time and effort to do that. And his campaign has said they don't support the Nazi agenda at all.
You're a fool, Rhymes. A complete fool. If Ron Paul can use the money for good purposes then more power to him. You think he supports Nazi philosophy just because they donated to his campaign? If you do then you're a loon and you need mental therapy.
You're just saying the same things over and over thinking if you say it enough times it's going to come true.
You probably didn't like Ron Paul before this news came about anyways, and you'd probably be trash talking him no matter who donated money to his cause. You're pathetic.
And this argument that anyone that supports Ron Paul is a Nazi loving hate monger is hilarious! Sure, we're all a bunch of psychos for following Ron Paul. Keep it coming Rhymes, you're making a lot of us laugh!
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Tue Nov 20 05:53:19 2007 (cjyBY)
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The economic system is open and free for anyone to participate in it, and by all means we should take it that only dollars participate in it, tho oricin of those dollars in no ones business.
If I am selling a car, the law says that I have to sell it to whoever can pay the price I ask, I can not refuse to sel it based on my opinion of the buyer. A racist can not refuse to do business with a black man, I can't refuse to sell my car to a man who plans to smash it up in a demo derby, and you can't just refuse the sale on the grounds that the buyer is a Nazi.
And donating to a campaign is a sale, the trade is money for policy, in the case of Nazis they probably donate to Paul because they believe the Federal reserve is run by Jews, and they hate that their taxes go to minorities on welfare.
Thus they support Paul's policy, for the wrong reasons, but support it none the less.
Posted by: clocktower at Tue Nov 20 06:27:16 2007 (/T4xS)
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Clocktower you've made many great points that are very logical to an open minded person.
The problem is no matter how much sense you make, no matter how politely you pose your arguments, people such as Rhymes with Right doesn't care. They will continue to bash those that disagree with them and will not acknowledge any points you make.
Rhymes with Right has pretty much ignored the good points others have made and keeps saying the same Ron Paul bashing arguments.
For example, webguy's comments above are very logically made but Rhymes doesn't even discuss them. Many points you made were completely ignored, not addressed at all. Why? Because he knows he can't actually argue with anyone that makes sense when they disagree with him, so he resorts to his childish name calling.
Sean Hannity and Michael Medved use the same tactics to try and make it seem as though they're still ahead of the game no matter what good points are made for the opposing side.
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Tue Nov 20 09:32:18 2007 (cjyBY)
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yes, he probably wants to claim I am a liberal also. Which I guess he things liberal means anyone who doesn,t think we can end violence by proving ourselves the biggest dog on the block. Or does not believe that anyone is morally justified in claiming authority to control, regulate, or otherwise shape policy.
Funny, I always thought I was more like a Right-wing anarchist, if anything.
Actually I like to think myself a Thelemite.
Posted by: clocktower at Tue Nov 20 10:03:11 2007 (/T4xS)
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Dave -- If Ron Paul does not gladly take Nazi cash, all he would have to do is return the $500 to the guy who runs Stormfront. That he does not puts the lie to any denial by his campaign.
And clocktower -- unless there were a violation of civil rights law, I don't have to sell my car to anyone. For that matter, if I own a business I can run someone off and ban them from the premises if I dislike them, as long as it was not for a prohibited reason under civil rights law.
And I don't think you guys are liberals -- I think you are Nazi-lovin' pussies.
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And guys, the reason I don't get into the "good use" argument is that it is irrelevant. The source of the cash itself is the problem, not the great purpose it will be used for.
If the source of the money is tainted, it does not matter what you do with it. Just as a pro-chastity group does not take money from teh local pimp, a pro-liberty candidate should not be taking money from a Nazi.
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"Dave -- If Ron Paul does not gladly take Nazi cash, all he would have to do is return the $500 to the guy who runs Stormfront. That he does not puts the lie to any denial by his campaign."
Wrong again Rhymes, which isn't surprising since most of your arguments are idiotic. Your opinion is Ron Paul gladly takes Nazi cash since he hasn't done something YOU think is right with the donation.
He didn't request money from anyone in particular, especially Nazi type people. You keep ignoring that issue altogether.
Also, in your twisted mind of illogical thoughts, if Ron Paul ends up giving the money back would it even change your mind on this issue? No, I thought not. You're just a bag of hot air.
"And I don't think you guys are liberals -- I think you are Nazi-lovin' pussies."
You're hilarious! Keep 'em coming Rhymes. You keep showing what a complete ass you are. If we disagree with you on this issue we must be "Nazi-lovin' pussies". That is a perfectly logical argument. You got us there. You win!
Posted by: Liberty Dave at Wed Nov 21 00:27:01 2007 (cjyBY)
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No, I will retract my comments about Ron Paul and the Nazi connection if he refunds the money to Stormfront's owner or donates it to a legitimate charity, demands that links to his campaign website be removed from Stormfront's website, and in the future return other extremist cash he has received. I still won't support Ron Paul, but it would prove he is walking the walk not just talking the talk about rejecting such extremists -- sort of like he does so-called special interest money.
And given your defense of Nazis and their right to have their money accepted by poor, defenseless (principleless is more like it) Ron Paul, I stand by my statement that you are Nazi-lovin' pussies. The ONLY folks you seem to think have rights in any of this are the Nazis.
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If the Nazis gave Ron Paul that money in hopes that he would use it to get rid of the Federal Reserve system, and that is what Ron Paul plans to do with the money he gets for his campaign. Then why should he give back legitimate contributions to the cause he is trying to achieve?
Just because a guy is a Nazi, does that mean everything he does is evil? If a Nazi dropped in a dollar to a charity to help cure Cancer, should that Charity dig through every jar they but aut and return all Nazi dollars?
On what grounds, can a Nazi dollar not help fight cancer the way a someone else's dollar can?
Must we assume that the Nazi didn't really want to cure cancel because he is evil and wants people to die of cancer?
Of I know it means the Cancer Charity is a fraud that really supports only supports white power, because Nazis are evil tight wads who only give money to hate organizations.
It can not possibly be the case that a cure for cancer is a mutually shared goal that both Nazis and minorities have in common.
I mean their is no way that Ron Paul and Nazis could have a shared goal, unless that goal is hate oriented, right?
Posted by: clocktower at Wed Nov 21 09:01:02 2007 (/T4xS)
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Ron Paul is not the cure for cancer, noris he a charity.
Ron Paul is a political candidate, who can and should be judged by those with whom he associates by taking their money.
Ron Paul takes Nazi cash -- ergo anything he has to say is irrelevant because of the taint of taking that cash.
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Ron Paul is a candidate who accepts donations from people who like what he wants to do as president. Some people want out of the war, so they give him money, some people what to end medicare so they donate money, some people don't like the Federal Reserve. Some people just want to get publicity for supporting an underdog.
The Nazi contribution is no different, they support something in his platform, whatever it is, its their money to use as they please. Its not up to Ron Paul to figure out or to care where his money comes from or what the motive for the donation might be.
All he needs do in take the money and use it to win. If the Mafia donates millions of dollars, then he can use that to win, so what if they got the money illegally from extortion. Ron Paul has it now, and once president he can deal with putting an end to extortion. Giving it back doesn't help stop the Mafia.
How does giving maney back to racists end racism? it doesn't but a Ron Paul presidency will!
Posted by: clocktower at Wed Nov 21 10:22:13 2007 (/T4xS)
53Its not up to Ron Paul to figure out or to care where his money comes from
Gee -- that sounds just like a line out of the Hillary Clinton playbook.
Face it -- Ron Paul has no moral scruples against knowingly taking money from Nazis and other racist scum. What's more, he, his campaign, and his supporters all argue that taking money from Nazis and other racists is just fine.
In the end, we can only draw the conclusion that you folks like being associated with Nazis because you like some of their ideas.
The one thing you folks don't like is being judged by the company you keep.
Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas -- lay down with Nazis, get up with swastikas.
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If both Ron Paul and the Nazis want to get rid of the Fed, then why should he not accept their money.
I mean the other candidates take money from the religious right, even though I'm sure none of them want to support the Fowell-Robertson agenda, that would make the US a theocracy.
Maybe when they denounce Pat Robertson, Paul will give back the funds.
Notice I never said they should give back the money, just denounce his agenda.
Posted by: clocktower at Wed Nov 21 11:34:01 2007 (/T4xS)
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1) There is no agenda for theocracy in this country. One more lie from the RonPauLunatics!
2) That you can't tell the difference between Pat Robertson and Hitler tells me a lot about you and your candidate.
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Oh, and clocktower -- since you seem to be from the Belleville are, might I suggest you go have a pizza and a beer at D.S. Vespers? It is one of the many things I miss from my old stomping grounds -- perhaps the thing I most miss.
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Look rhymes with right, nobody but you is buying into your bullshit and asinine logic, so stfu and have a good day. Look if you want to vote for a pro big government candidate thats you own business, but some people dont buy into your bullshit pro welfare state. Anybody who disagrees with you is a nazi loving pussy?, sounds like your the real nazi to me. But when you cant debate ron paul on the issues I guess smear is the only option. have fun voting for flip flopper romney or giuliana. they will say anything to get your vote, that should be right up your alley.
Posted by: brian at Wed Nov 28 22:02:27 2007 (F0Ozz)
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No -- candidates who take money from Nazis and those who support their doing so are Nazi-loving pussies, Brian. Glad to see you fall into that category, as witnessed by your pro-liberty demand that I "stfu" because I espouse a position you disagree with. I suppose that if i don't, you and the rest of the RonPauLunatics will put on your best brown shirts and come beat me into submission, right?
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Nope we will just vote ron paul into the whitehouse, and then shove the freedom and tax dollars youll save down your throat. But honestly who do you support?
Posted by: brian at Thu Nov 29 01:23:11 2007 (F0Ozz)
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And is it me or is it ironic a white supremacists last name is black? And let's be honest we know ron paul isnt racist, he probably didnt even know the money he was taking was from nazis, and it wasnt much at all. $500? he made 4.3 million in one day, his site probably gets a lot of donations . Im not gonna sit here and argue he shouldnt give it back, but dont sit there and argue he's a nazi if he doesnt. It was money from an individual who happens to be a nazi, not a nazi group. and alex jones donated? who gives a fuck? anybody can! I think a rapist or pedophile or murderer is worse than a nazi who doesnt break laws. If any bad person has ever donated to any cause, should it always be given back?
The only reason I could see somebody getting mad over this, is you say "well ron paul took money from nazis so maybe the nazis were trying to buy him off to support their views." But we know he doesnt support their views and wouldnt for any amount of cash, ergo it doesnt matter. We know they donated because ron paul will speak against the fed, but for a different reason than nazis.
You say he should give it to a jewish charity, would a jewish charity accept nazi money?
Posted by: brian at Thu Nov 29 02:00:10 2007 (F0Ozz)
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Brian -- I don't argue that Ron Paul is a Nazi -- but he is either a Nazi-loving pussy or otherwise an individual of no character if he knowingly keeps the cash from such a source. You are judged in such a case by the company you keep.
And I suggest that such a charity would take the money, just as they have taken items looted by the Nazis when no rightful heir could be found. And indeed, such a donation would thoroughly repudiate the Nazi agenda in a way that the campaign keeping it.
As for who I support, I suggest you read my site and find out.
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I think it's more that he believes in freedom so much, that he thinks anybody and everybody has a right to think whatever they want, no matter how batshit crazy it is, as long as they dont break the law. and you say you dont argue that he's a nazi? but he's a nazi lover? you know who loves nazis? only fucking nazis. This man has no character? He is the only politician whos not a complete bullshit flip flopper who would say and do anything to please you and get your vote.At least the only one running for president. He is a doctor who worked for $3 an hour at a charity hospital, delivering babies of any race or color. How many lives have u saved? He was a doc during viet nam and has devoted so much of his life to helping people, what the hell have u done? start a blog? but he has no character? This man has more character in his pinky than you or me have in our whole body. Have u read any of his writings, or heard him talk about race? To say he is a nazi sypathzer is to be blind to anything he's ever said.
Like you said alex jones donated, does it mean he thinks 9/11 was done by the government? no, no matter how many people like you to try to make it out like he does.~ So an individual who is a nazi donated, does it make him a nazi sypathyer>? no. I could see if it was a nazi group but it was an individual citizen whos racist, and as much as it might piss us off, they have the same right to donate or not donate to ron paul as anyone. And it's really not fair to take somebodys money for one reason, and give it to a cause they dont believe in at all.
Look I know you dont want ron paul to win, hence your for the status quo, but enough americans are sick of bullshit we cant vote for anybody but ron paul.
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I know all about Ron Paul -- I live 2 miles from his congressional district.
And I'm sorry -- anyone who does not reject money from certain sources (Nazis, Kluxers, Islamists, and Communists) has no character. In this case, Ron Paul has put cash (and such a piddling amount of cash) before decency and principle. As such, he is unfit for any office -- and i am working to make sure he has no office 13 months from now, in any branch of government.
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We must live close together then. Myabe it's that his principles are in fact too strong, because nazis have the right to hate anybody. But since you know all about ron paul, but call him a nazi sympathizer you're obviously just a delusional liar, but that's your right, and you can hate ron paul as much as you want, but he is far and away better than any of those political hacks he's on stage with. I dont defend nazi views, i defend their right to have any view they want.
heres pauls stance on racism, not exactly a nazis wet dream.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
Racism
A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.
The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.
Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.
It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.
Posted by: brian at Thu Nov 29 17:12:52 2007 (F0Ozz)
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I defend he right of Nazis to hate whoever they wish, too.
I also expect those seeking public office to reject campaign donations from known followers of such malign philosophies.
Those who don't do so can only be presumed to support the hatred or lack the morality and decency to oppose them with deeds as well as words.
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Or maybe he supports peoples right to think whatever they want.
Posted by: brian at Fri Nov 30 16:39:12 2007 (F0Ozz)
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He's so supportive of the right of people to think what they want that he doesn't support his own right to disassociate himself from those whose malign ideologies include explicit calls for genocide? I don't think so.
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First of all, if you were a Neo-Nazi, which candidate would you endorse? Neo-Nazis, militia crazies, and the KKK are generally anti-government. They hear Ron Paul being the only candidate openly expressing anti-government views, so of course they endorse him. It makes perfect sense. Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber would probably be strong Ron Paul supporters.
The important point is, should this reflect badly on Ron Paul?
Well, consider this:
Many Neo-Nazi and KKK members strongly claim to endorse Jesus as their spiritual guide. So have many criminals, murderers, and child molesters.
Does this reflect badly on Jesus by association? Does this fact bring into question Jesus' teachings, character, integrity, or values?
Of course not.
Guilt by association is a logical fallacy.
What if it is a great thing that Ron Paul's campaign is draining extremist group's funds of cash that would be otherwise used to hurt others? I hope he is successful in bankrupting the KKK and Neo-Nazis by this most devious method!
In other words, why should they return the cash, rather than keep it, and put it towards efforts to enforce human rights and further the cause of freedom from race or religion-based oppression? Wouldn't the money be better put to use in this way?
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Hence my suggestion that he give the money where it will do exactly that, eliminating the taint of taking their cash while devoting it to a positive cause antithetical to theirs.
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What's ridiculous is that Ron Paul has raised so much moolah. I didn't know Nazis had so much money. It's not helping in the polls, however. He's stuck at 5%.
Posted by: Damail at Tue Dec 18 14:34:18 2007 (wlCGQ)
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That is the absurdity of his refusal to return the tainted cash -- he clearly doesn't need it.
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Ron Paul has recieved millions in small donations from European-Americans who don't care whether or not Usurael gets "wiped of the map", or whether or not we are a "diverse nation".
Neither "diversity", nor allegiance to foriegn, especially non-Christian lands are Constitutional.
Posted by: AntiZionismIStheOnlyRightism at Thu Dec 20 07:56:48 2007 (N8HNN)
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Thank you for demonstating the true nature of Ron Paul supporters, and the sort of people embraced by the candidate when he refuses to return this piddling little donation.
The Republican National Committee (RNC) enjoyed a more than $2 million fundraising edge over the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in September, continuing a year-long pattern. And although the Republican committeeÂ’s money margin over the Democratic committee is less than was typically the case before the GOP lost control of Congress in the 2006 elections, it remains the GOPÂ’s brightest spot in a year in which the DemocratsÂ’ U.S. Senate and House campaign units have built up big fundraising leads of their Republican counterparts.
The RNC raised $5.8 million in September, according to its latest filing with the Federal Election Commission, compared to $3.7 million for the DNC. That continued an RNC winning streak that it has sustained through every month of this year.
Overall through Sept. 30, the RNC raised $63.1 million, and began October with $16.5 million in cash on hand. The DNC raised $40.5 million and began October with $3.3 million left to spend. The DNC has $2 million in debts, while the RNC is debt-free.
Could it be that we are seeing that the people are supportive of GOP principles, but less than happy with the direction taken by some GOP incumbents who are willing to compromise away all principles in an effort to win praise for their “bipartisanship”?
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Dem Pol To Take Money From Troop Defaming Buddy
David Crosby used to be a talented musician, before he burned out every last brain cell with all those drugs. And Congressman John Hall used to have a modicum of musical talent – not much, but enough to score a couple of light-weight pop hits along the way. But in his new position, should he really be having a fundraiser featuring Crosby, given the latter’s recent insult to the troops?
Rep. John Hall, D-Dover, is refusing to cancel a planned performance Sunday at a campaign fundraiser in Bedford by longtime friend and fellow musician David Crosby despite Crosby's recent statement that when a U.S. soldier arrives in Iraq "he finds out the job is killing somebody else's mother and sister."
Crosby appeared on the program "Hardball" last week, commenting to host Chris Matthews on young Americans volunteering to serve in Iraq.
"On the one hand, you have got a young kid who is patriotic, who loves his country, believes in it," Crosby said. "And he's being told, yes, this is the truth. And we have got to go in there to protect your mother and your sister."
Crosby added, "And he goes over and he finds out the job is killing somebody else's mother and sister."
Bad enough that he wonÂ’t dump the musical has-been from the fundraiser, but Hall also lacks the decency and integrity to defend our men and women in uniform by repudiating his friend and supporters slanderous comments. If you need any proof of how unfit John Hall is for office, that should do it for you.
Turnabout Is Fair Play?
Remember when the Democrats had a guy stalk Senator George Allan, looking for some miscue to exploit until they found one poorly chosen word? Well, it looks like a conservative student in Michigan is doing the same thing, and the Democrats – and the educrats he works for – don’t like it one bit.
A politically conservative student armed with a video camera and a Web site is trying to force a Democratic congressional candidate out of his teaching job at Central Michigan University.
Dennis Lennox, a 23-year-old junior, has posted videos on YouTube of himself questioning assistant professor Gary Peters about campaigning for office while holding a prestigious position at the university.
Some say Lennox is persistent. Others accuse him of pandering for attention.
"What I'm doing isn't about getting media attention," said Lennox, a political science major. "I'm speaking for the hundreds of students, alumni, taxpayers and even legislators who have complained because Gary Peters won't pick between Congress and campus."
One college administrator appears to have assaulted Lennox, and there are attempts to prevent him from filming on campus, or from filming public employees. I guess the First Amendment only applies to Democrats and liberals – and that they really don’t consider turnabout to be fair play.
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Not A Great Electoral Strategy
Ileana Hernandez is seeking the office of county commissioner in Pike County, Pennsylvania.
Someone splattered a campaign sign with paint. Someone also dumped dirty diapers in front of her campaign office..
Her response?
Hernandez, a Democrat who is the first Latino woman to run for the office, said the vandalism "could be both racist and sexist — it's Pike County."
Her opponents have criticized the both acts of vandalism. But I can’t help but think that labeling the people you hope to represent as a bunch of racists and sexists is not the best pat to high political office – especially when your victories in previous elections in the county has proven that neither race nor sex has been an obstacle to your political success.
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Liberalism In Action
For a brief moment, I thought we were dealing with a rational liberal columnist.
Then I got to the fourth sentence.
Forget impeachment.
Liberals, put it behind you. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney shouldn't be treated like criminals who deserve punishment. They should be treated like psychotics who need treatment.
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Impeachment's not the solution to psychosis, no matter how flagrant. But despite their impressive foresight in other areas, the framers unaccountably neglected to include an involuntary civil commitment procedure in the Constitution.
Still, don't lose hope. By enlisting the aid of mental health professionals and the court system, Congress can act to remedy that constitutional oversight. The goal: Get Bush and Cheney committed to an appropriate inpatient facility, where they can get the treatment they so desperately need. In Washington, the appropriate statutory law is already in place: If a "court or jury finds that [a] person is mentally ill and . . . is likely to injure himself or other persons if allowed to remain at liberty, the court may order his hospitalization."
I'll even serve on the jury. When it comes to averting World War III, it's really the least I can do.
And it leads me to conclude that Bush Derangement Syndrome is not a mental illness, but is instead a manifestation of the evil that lives in some people's souls.
Jindal Seeks Competent Appointees For Louisiana
Looking for a job in government, one with real policy influence? Are you experienced and competent, and willing to think outside the box? Then Bobby Jindal wants you!
BATON ROUGE, La. — Gov.-elect Bobby Jindal is taking resumes from people looking for jobs at a new Web site, Louisiana Transition
"We are considering every position within the administration an open one and encouraging everyone interested to apply. We are looking for the best and brightest folks out there interested in working to bring our state a fresh start," Timmy Teepell, director of Jindal's transition team and chief of staff when Jindal takes office in January, said in a statement.
The transition team will form committees to choose the Jindal administration's cabinet members, according to Rolfe McCollister, chairman of the transition efforts.
Jindal will have a month longer than most incoming governors to handle transition because he won in Saturday's primary, not a November runoff.
Louisiana government has been a mes for years, and that was quite clearly demonstrated two years ago. If you want to be a part of the reform movement, click the link above and apply to be a part of the solution.
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Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-Pa.) vowed yesterday to block the renomination of a government energy board's chief until the Bush administration scales back its push for new high-voltage power lines in his state.
Casey took to the Senate floor to declare that he would put a hold on the renomination of Joseph T. Kelliher as chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. He denounced the boundaries of a "national interest electric transmission corridor" to promote the construction of new power lines in the Mid-Atlantic states.
The corridor, finalized earlier this month, includes most of Pennsylvania as it stretches from Virginia north to Upstate New York. It marks the first time the government has used new powers granted under an energy bill passed in 2005.
Senator, it is an unfortunate reality that your state sits right between New York and Virginia. That means, for better or for worse, that the transmission lines must cross your state as part of the national power grid. If you are that opposed to allowing it to do so, perhaps we can accommodate you by cutting off the Pennsylvania from our nations’ power supply – something that I’m sure many Pennsylvanians will object to come January when the temperatures drop into single digits. But if you want to cripple the energy distribution network, you and your state need to be taken out of it completely.
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He Says Osama; You Say Obama
These slip-ups are really not surprising, given that we have a presidential candidate with an unusual name that is only a single letter off from the name of our terrorist enemy.
In a slip of the tongue, Republican Mitt Romney accused Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama of urging terrorists to congregate in Iraq.
In the midst of criticizing Obama and other Democrats on foreign and economic policy Tuesday, the GOP presidential hopeful said:
"Actually, just look at what Osam — Barack Obama — said just yesterday. Barack Obama, calling on radicals, jihadists of all different types, to come together in Iraq. That is the battlefield. ... It's almost as if the Democratic contenders for president are living in fantasyland. Their idea for jihad is to retreat, and their idea for the economy is to also retreat. And in my view, both efforts are wrongheaded."
Romney apparently was referring to an audiotape aired Monday in which a speaker believed to be terrorist Osama bin Laden called for insurgents in Iraq to unite and avoid divisions. The authenticity of the tape aired on Al-Jazeera television could not be immediately confirmed.
Romney was addressing a Chamber of Commerce meeting. Spokesman Kevin Madden said: "He misspoke. He was referring to the audiotape of Osama bin Laden and misspoke. It was just a mix-up."
Now let's remember that the first major screw-up in this regard was made by Ted Kennedy, so there really is not any reason to claim partisan motivations. And remember as well that Romney had been talking about the presidential candidate when he made the switch to discussing the terrorist leader -- hence the mental slip that led to the verbal slip.
Oh, yeah -- and the fact that Obama's support for the cut-and-run-and-surrender policy of the Left does, in fact, encourage terrorists to gather in Iraq to come together to defeat America.
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To this end, Romney should give not "the Kennedy speech" but his own account of the religious question. He needs to explain how he can fairly ask that we not hold his faith against him, even as he insists that religious people should vote for him because of the values his faith has taught him. Mormonism should not be an issue. Consistency is another matter.
Dionne is right -- Romney should not give "the Kennedy speech". After all, that speech was a cave-in to the forces of bigotry in the name of political expidiency. JFK argued that yes, everything that the bigots had said about Catholics was true, but he would be an "Uncle Pat" and not act that way.
What Romney needs to do is stand up and extol the religious diversity and pluralism of this nation -- and point to the fact that it is shared values and policy preferences that matter, even if the basis for those values are different. He should point to the fact that Mormons participate in our nation's political life on all sides of the debate, free from Church interference -- from Harry Reid on the Left to Orrin Hatch on the Right. As such, he should insist upon being judged by the policies he proposes and the character he demonstrates, not the sign in front of his house of worship.
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What Romney needs to do is stop changing his mind and pandering to the religious right. If the republicans do not put a conservative up for election, they have no chance of winning. Religion won in 04, it is the only chance they have in 08.
Quiz: Who do you call when deciding if to bomb Iran or not?
Answer: Your Lawyers. (Awesome)
Posted by: PeachPit at Tue Oct 23 02:50:21 2007 (m9tb8)
The Joy Of Economics
How much should we spend to combat global warming? That's the great question put forward by economist Steven E. Landsburg in Slate. He walks his readers through a whole host of assumptions that underlie a calculation of how much is enough.
The answer? It depends.
First, I'll make the extreme assumption that our environmental recklessness threatens to shave 1 percentage point off economic growth forever. Because of compounding, our disposable incomes will be reduced by 9.5 percent a decade from now and by 63 percent a century from now—perhaps because we'll spend 63 percent of our incomes relocating coastal cities. Now toss in some standard (but arguable) assumptions about risk aversion and discounting. (Note to econogeeks: I assumed a risk-aversion coefficient of 1, and I discounted future generations' welfare at an annual rate of 5 percent, partly because we might care less about them and partly because we're not sure they'll exist.) Run this through your calculator, and you'll find we should spend up to about 17 percent of our incomes on climate control—provided that our investment is effective. That's an expenditure level that I expect would satisfy Al Gore.
Change the numerical assumptions, and you'll change the numerical conclusion. Make the discount rate 1 percent instead of 5 percent, and you can justify spending up to a whopping 62 percent of our incomes on climate control; lower the discount rate to 10 percent, and you can't justify spending more than 8 percent of our incomes.
And that is based upon what Landsburg describes as an extreme view of the crisis. My read of the article? Even the most alarmist view of the level of crisis cannot justify the huge expenditures and changes proposed by Gore and the man-made global warming crowd -- especially when one looks at the historical record and sees the many beneficial impacts of the (oft discounted) natural cycle of global warming. After all, Landsburg is making extreme assumptions in his calculations, so more reasonable ones would reduce the percentage of our incomes needed to reduce climate change.
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In doing so, he gives voice to a position advocated by the Cold War critics of the Left and the neo-isolationists of the Buchananite Right -- and the Paulite nutjobs.
The third leg of the tripod, though, is the interesting one, because it's something that comes out of the far left. In fact, it's so far to the left that it wouldn't fit into today's Democratic party. I'd like to see an acknowledgment and rejection of some of the brutality of American foreign policy. I'd like us to explicitly own and reject what we did in places like Iran before the Shah, and in Guatemala.
The first two legs, small government and Constitutionalism, are positions strongly supported by the Right today. Unfortunately, the third leg is a return to the foreign policy of the GOP of the post-WWI era. As we learned with dismay later on, such policies are doomed to failure -- especially in a world that has become even more interconnected than it was in the first third of the twentieth century.
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It is the never ending WWII analogy, always another "Hitler" out there somewhere to slay.
Stop wetting your bed every night and try to see threats for what they really are and how engaging each country will 99% of the time lead to better, longer lasting, solutions. Look at Vietnam, for example, and compare to the poor outcomes of Cuba and Korea.
And it is worth noting that it was our intervention in WWI that CAUSED the problems that led to WWII.
Israel can take care of itself, although it will probably rot from internal moral decay.
The [Israeli] soldiers described dozens of incidents of extreme violence One recalled an incident when a Palestinian was shot for no reason and left on the street. 'We were in a weapons carrier when this guy, around 25, passed by in the street and, just like that, for no reason - he didn't throw a stone, did nothing - bang, a bullet in the stomach, he shot him in the stomach and the guy is dying on the pavement and we keep going, apathetic.
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Only a little boy of four playing in the sand. He is building a castle in his yard. He [the officer] suddenly starts running and we all run with him. He was from the combat engineers. 'He grabbed the boy. I am a degenerate if I am not telling you the truth. He broke his hand here at the wrist, broke his leg here. And started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and left. We are all there, jaws dropping, looking at him in shock.
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"The first two legs, small government and Constitutionalism, are positions strongly supported by the Right today."
No they aren't and that's a big part of the problem. The current GOP status quo does not support small government or Constitutionalism and that's where part of the backlash is coming from. You can't wage endless war overseas and be "small" in scope. To pay for these wars you must tax and tax and draft and control and that is not Constitutionalism it is something entirely different.
Posted by: Nash at Mon Oct 22 08:43:09 2007 (3iGkY)
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The problem is, Mr. Lewis, that the way "brutality" is defined is to include any projection of US force anywhere in the world for virtually any reason. Indeed, if you read the piece at Sullivan's place, he even notes that what we are talking is the Leftoid "US as an evil war-like imperialist power" crap we've been hearing since the end of WWII.
And daveg, the reality is that it was not US involvement in WWI that brought about Hitler, it was US weakness at Versailles and failure to remain engaged int he world for the next 15-20 years that brought him about -- unless you argue that the US should have stayed out of WWI despite attacks on neutral shipping, conspiracies to launch an attack on the US from Mexico, etc, so that the Germans could have defeated the British and the French and created a Europe dominated by the imperialist Germans. And as for your anti-Israel crap, I can't help but note you provide no references to back it up.
And Nash, I'd argue that the GOP grassroots are very much in favor of small government and Constitutionalism. Maybe not as defined by the supporters of Ron Paul, but we definitely do support them.
5"The first two legs, small government and Constitutionalism, are positions strongly supported by the Right today."
I see very little truth in that assertion, Greg. Would you care to explain exactly how can a government be small, and police the world at the same time?????
Not to mention the fact that the Bush regime has been spending money like drunken democrats since January 2001.
I believe in freedom. If you'd like to engage in a crusade of violence because you're scared, that's fine by me.
But you and the neocons do not have the right to commit my property and tax yet to be earned wages of my children in support of your flawed idea of a perfect or even "safe" world.
If there had actually been WMDs in Iraq at the time we invaded it, you might have a leg to stand on in promoting a permanent military presence there, and creating one elsewhere.
But the trouble is, you don't. There were no WMDs, the administration lied to Americans and the entire world, and any shred of credibility the neocons once had is now gone.
That's right... GONE.
I don't think it's likely that ya'll can scare the voters into giving your proven bad ideas another chance, and offer the evidence of last fall's elections in support of that theory.
No. We won't be fooled again...
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I'm invoking Greg's Law here.
Commenters referring to the government of the United States as a "regime" are automatically discounted as loons.
Thanks for stopping by.
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That argument is far beneath your apparent intellect, Greg.
But I can understand why you would prefer it over actually answering a valid question about your stated opinions.
No. We won't be fooled again, nor will we be distracted by illogical rhetoric.
"The first two legs, small government and Constitutionalism, are positions strongly supported by the Right today."
Put up or shut up. Support your statement with fact or admit that you buy the propaganda, or are willing to demean your self by spreading the BS.
Posted by: bob at Mon Oct 22 16:41:14 2007 (V/WHK)
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Bob, the nice thing about this being MY site is that you don't get to come here and make demands.
And your response to my previous comment, tinged as it is with more mouth-frothing rhetoric, makes it quite clear that my invocation of Greg's Law was spot on.
And read the last paragraph of the comment above your first one. I think it pretty well answers your question.
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Fair enough Greg. It's your sandbox, therefore I recognize your authority and will make no demands on your logic. By all means, answer only those questions you are comfortable with, and call me a loon if it makes you feel good.
"I'd argue that the GOP grassroots are very much in favor of small government and Constitutionalism. Maybe not as defined by the supporters of Ron Paul, but we definitely do support them.
My argument is that people who identify with Ron Paul's refreshing message are rapidly becoming the new GOP grassroots.
To support my argument, I offer the fact that republican party membership is still on a slide (so are the democrats, but that's a different blog) while Ron Paul's enthusiastic grassroots support has steadily grown.
For example, in the overnight hours between my last comment and this one, Paul supporters nickel and dimed their way to meeting the goal of raising an additional $430,000 in four days in support of his New Hampshire ads. This follows a 1 million dollar push in the final days of the 3rd quarter. There will be another spike in funding on November 5th. Watch for it.
I'm not unrealistic. I remain skeptical of Ron Pauls chances of securing the nomination. But not as skeptical as I am of any old guard neocon looney toon winning in the general election.
Face facts dude... Ya'll had your chance and ya' BLEW IT! Like I said, "We won't be fooled again!"
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Clinton Playing Drudge?
Matt Drudge has an incredible gift for sifting the news and finding important stories. He is lso teh recipient of a lot of early tips. In one recent case, though, was he played by the Hillary Clinton Campaign to get early, prominent coverage of a fundraising coup?
As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing red-siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, “Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge,” and, “$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report.”
Within minutes, the Drudge site had injected Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s fund-raising success into the day’s political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Mr. Obama’s speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign — the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side — it was a telling assault.
Mrs. ClintonÂ’s aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters. But it was a prime example of a development that has surprised much of the political world: Mrs. Clinton is learning to play nice with the Drudge Report and the powerful, elusive and conservative-leaning man behind it.
As noted above, this is the same Matt Drudge that rose to prominence on his coverage of her husband's Oral Orifice Oval Office dalliance with Monica Lewinsky. That makes Drudge a card-carrying member of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" -- but Hillary seems to be prepared to sell her soul for good coverage.
If she has one to sell.
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Bobby Jindal Wins In LouisianaFuturePresidentBobbyJindalwas electedour nation'syoungest governor -- and the first Indian-American to ever reach such an office. The Republican Congressman will replace the incompetent Kathleen Blanco, whose failures during Hurricane Katrina led directly to the deaths of thousands of Louisianans during and after the storm, as well as delayed the federal response to the storm by her inaction.
Rep. Bobby Jindal (R) became the nation's first Indian American governor Saturday, outpolling 11 rivals in Louisiana and drawing enough votes to avoid a runoff election next month.
With about 90 percent of the state's nearly 4,000 precincts reporting, Jindal had 53 percent of the vote. His nearest competitor, state Sen. Walter J. Boasso (D), had 18 percent.
Louisiana holds an open gubernatorial election, with candidates of all parties competing. By drawing at least 50 percent of the vote, Jindal avoided a Nov. 17 runoff race with Boasso.
"Let's give our homeland, the great state of Louisiana, a fresh start," Jindal said to a cheering crowd at his victory party, according to the Associated Press.
Jindal, 36, was making his second attempt to become Louisiana's first nonwhite governor since Reconstruction. The last one was P.B.S. Pinchback, a black Republican who served briefly between 1872 and 1873, at a time when many white voters were disenfranchised.
And who disenfranchised those non-white voters? That would be the Democrats, who were outraged by the notion of a non-white holding political power in the state. The more things change, the more they stay the same -- given the race-based smears of Democrats against Jindal during this and his previous race for governor.
Good luck with Louisiana, sir -- you have quite a task before you, overcoming Louisiana's legacy of Democrat rule, which has left it the nation's poorest, most uneducated and most unhealthy state.
I look forward to voting for you in 2012 or 2016 when you are the GOP nominee for President.
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CONGRATS Apu. When Americans won't vote for a black president,what makes you think we would vote for Apu?
Posted by: Ronnie at Sun Oct 21 09:24:05 2007 (0CWeL)
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Well, you bigoted scumbag, I wouldn't expect a Democrat like you to vote for any minority that wasn't prepared to take orders from the white masters of the Democrat Party.
On the other hand, we on the right are more than willing to vote for quality -- and Jindal is quality. I agree with a statement that the new governor made recently.
“People want to make everything about race. The only colors that matter here are red, white and blue,” Jindal said.
If you aren't ready for that view of America, please leave and find a country where your disgusting views and racist name-calling are dominant.
The problem we have in this country is that we have yet to have a truly qualified African-American candidate emerge for president.
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Ronnie,
Americans will vote for Indian Americans, but not africa aamericans, because african americans are racist, lazy, and only fit to be rappers.In short, it takes 30 afros to beat an Indian.
Ronnie why dont you go home snort some coke, and then call up Jesse jackson on his radio show?
Posted by: Chris at Thu Oct 25 16:37:38 2007 (J6pYi)
The First Hour In The White House
You know, I'm all for general expressions of religious faith by politicians, but I wish that Fred hadn't used one to dodge so simple a question.
People ask Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee and television and film actor, what he would do during his first 100 days in office, should he be elected president.
“I really don’t know what I would do in my first 100 days,’’ Thompson candidly and conversationally told an audience today. “It would depend on the circumstances.
“But I know what I would do in the first hour,’’ Thompson told an assembly of religious right voters assessing the Republican field of presidential candidates today. “I would go into the Oval Office and close the door and pray for the wisdom to know what is right’’ – and with that, people stood and applauded the drawling, homespun candidate.
“I would pray for the strength to do what is right,’’ the candidate said. “May God give us all the strength and wisdom to do what is right for our country.’’
That Thompson failed to state even one policy key move for early in his presidency is troubling. Hasn't he devised some centerpiece for his campaign?
On the other hand, my darling Democrat suggests that the Thompson Administration would begin with "sex on the Presidential Seal in the Oval Office with that trophy wife of his."
I could handle that -- think of it as purifying the place after Bill and Monica.
Oh, and I have a vision of my first hour in the White House if I ever became President.
OK, Dems -- Match It!
After the Left lied about Rush Limbaugh and his attitude towards the troops, the broadcaster decided to go one better -- he turned it into a charity auction. The result? A $2.1 million dollar winning bid for a letter from the censorious (and mendacious) senators -- which Limbaugh will match.
Too bad none of thenationalmedia can bring themselves to truthfully report what Limbaugh actually said, instead choosing to side with the Democrats and the Soros-funded organization that began the smear against the host.
Here's the challenge that Limbaugh made, and that I join in making -- MATCH THE BID!
You folks can do it -- with 41 of you, it comes to only a bit over $50K each. MATCH THE BID!
Every one of you who signed is a millionaire. MATCH THE BID!
And while we are at it, let's talk about your billionaire sugar-daddy, George Soros. MATCH THE BID!
Or quit making it out that you are patriots who care about the country or the troops.
Obama: Acknowledging Actuarial Realities Is Racist
After all, this comment is not based upon racism – it is based upon looking at the relative life expectancies within different racial groups.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday the head of the Justice Department's voting rights office should be fired for saying minorities often die before they reach old age.
A department spokesman said the Oct. 5 remarks by John Tanner had been "grossly misconstrued."
During a panel discussion on minority voters before the National Latino Congreso in Los Angeles, Tanner addressed state laws that require photo identification for voting, and remarked that elderly voters disproportionately don't have the proper IDs.
"That's a shame, you know creating problems for elderly persons just is not good under any circumstance," Tanner said, according to video posted on YouTube. "Of course, that also ties into the racial aspect because our society is such that minorities don't become elderly the way white people do. They die first.
"There are inequities in health care. There are a variety of inequities in this country, and so anything that disproportionately impacts the elderly has the opposite impact on minorities. Just the math is such as that," Tanner said.
Good grief – that last paragraph sounds like the platform of the DNC. Now if Senator Obama wants to declare it to be racist, I’ll support Tanner’s firing immediately upon the disbanding of the Democrat Party and the resignation of every Democrat holding elected or appointed office on the same basis. You go first, sir.
Responding to overwhelming pressure from every civilized person on earth with any semblance of intelligence, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee today announced that it had voted to terminate its charter. Just prior to the unanimous vote, the Committee voted to rescind numerous past prizes - including the 2007 prize to itinerant comedian and performance artist Albert Gore of the United States - and award those prizes and all future prizes to the United States military.
"This about face by the Nobel Peace Committee," stated former Committee Chairman and former leader of the Norwegian Labor Party, Trygve Andreesen, "came after hundreds of millions of civilized people sent e-mails, letters, telegrams, text messages, voicemails and carrier pigeon messages demanding that we stop giving awards to Islamic martyrdom supporters like Jimmy Carter, frauds like Rigoberto Menchu and corrupt mass-murderers like Yassir Arafat."
I love the alternate recipient – the single greatest force for good over the last hundred years.
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Posted by: Steve at Fri Oct 19 22:43:21 2007 (WVLD/)
Mel Martinez, the public face of the Republican National Committee as its general chairman, announced he was stepping down from his post on Friday after serving only 10 months.
"I believe that our future as a party and nation is bright and I have every intention of continuing to fight for our president, our party and our candidates," the Florida senator said in a statement.
His departure was abrupt and his job will not be filled. Martinez wasn't expected to step down until a Republican presidential nominee was selected. The earliest that could occur is February.
Martinez said he was relinquishing the job to spend more time focusing on his constituents and because the RNC had achieved the objective he set when he assumed the job in January.
"It was my goal as general chairman to lead the party as it established the structure and raised the resources necessary to support our presidential candidate and ensure Republican victories next November. I believe we have accomplished those goals," Martinez said.
The decision not to replace Martinez is a sign of how little he will be missed.
That said, we need someone in the position of chairman – and I believe now, as I did ten months ago, that Michael Steele should be that man.
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