June 11, 2005
Wanna Know What Democrats Think About African-American Democrats In High Places?
Just look over at AmericaBLOG, run by gay liberal activist John Aravosis. There are a couple of good examples, from both John and his commenters.
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I mean after all, what would be the reaction of the liberals if we started telling a well-respected GOP African-American female to shut up because she wasn't toeing the party line? Well, that is John's take on Donna Brazile, who gave a qualified endorsement of Howard Dean in an interview. But I'll concede, he has said similar things about Joe Biden and other top Democrats who recognize that Dean's comments are not going to help the Democrats win elections, so maybe it is simply that he likes Dean and is willing to help him pass the Kool-Aid around to the rest of the party.
But then there is the troubling aspect of certain comments that he allows to remain on the board. It isn't just that he allows criticism of people, but he implicitly welcomes racial slurs by refusing to delete them. Consider this comment from a thread about another post.
Harold "Uncle Tom" Ford, D, TN, Rips into Howard DeanThis step-N-fetch-it asshole needs a kick in the ass.
"(Laughing) I won't have him down so many times in Tennessee on the campaign trail with me. He has made some comments as of late that really
speak to a lack of understanding I think, of the country, a lack of understanding of faith and values. I'm a Democrat and I'm a God fearing one. I grew up in church. Christianity is not reserved for white males. I think perhaps Governor Dean sometimes gets a little excited at the mouth, and says things that are simply not true. It may reach a point where if he can't find a way to kind of control some of his comments, and temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me, and I know he does not speak for a majority of Democrats and I dare say Republicans in my home state. I know that other, even Senator Biden and others, have made some stronger comments about him. I look forward to having a chance to sit with him here in the next day or so. I think he's going to be here in Capitol Hill a little later today to meet with us. I want to ask him directly. Can he contain himself in a lot of ways, and what is his thought process in a lot of these issues because it is not representative of where the party is."
Yep, you read that right. A senior black Democrat is an "Uncle Ton" and a "step-N-fetch-it asshole" for failing to give his unqualified support for Dean. Guess he strayed too far off the plantation, and you know that "Massa John" can't let an uppity Negro criticize "Massa Howard" without being chastised, so he left the racist comment in place on both threads where it appeared.
Yeah, but it is the GOP that is supposed to be hostile to African-Americans and other minorities.
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Man you just can't stop lying can you, you miserable piece of fecal matter. Here is all of what he posts:
Here's a thought for Donna. If people are saying things privately, and you tell the press, well, they are not private anymore. And you feed the story. You get your name in the paper, but it doesn't really help.
So how about this, Donna.....Don't talk to the press about what people are saying privately. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to not say anything. Howard Dean became the story because leading Democrats talked to the press, just like you did today. There are a lot of things that people say and do privately that should be kept private. And for most of us, there is no distinction between public and private when it comes to supporting an aggressive, hard hitting and pro-active DNC Chair.
Gee looks to me like he is saying exactly what the RNC leadership has said for the last 50 years, which can be loosely translated as: "Let sleeping dogs lie"
Of course you, being the right wing smacked-tuches you are, you will try to interpret this in any manner detremental to the democratic party you see fit. Since when did the republican party sanction their members spewing what is supposed to be private, to the press?? Can you say NEVER you porcine snorkler of right-wing sausages
Here's a thought for Donna. If people are saying things privately, and you tell the press, well, they are not private anymore. And you feed the story. You get your name in the paper, but it doesn't really help.
So how about this, Donna.....Don't talk to the press about what people are saying privately. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to not say anything. Howard Dean became the story because leading Democrats talked to the press, just like you did today. There are a lot of things that people say and do privately that should be kept private. And for most of us, there is no distinction between public and private when it comes to supporting an aggressive, hard hitting and pro-active DNC Chair.
Gee looks to me like he is saying exactly what the RNC leadership has said for the last 50 years, which can be loosely translated as: "Let sleeping dogs lie"
Of course you, being the right wing smacked-tuches you are, you will try to interpret this in any manner detremental to the democratic party you see fit. Since when did the republican party sanction their members spewing what is supposed to be private, to the press?? Can you say NEVER you porcine snorkler of right-wing sausages
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at Sat Jun 11 16:07:55 2005 (aHbua)
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I guess you missed this portion of the same paragraph you are criticizing.
But I'll concede, he has said similar things about Joe Biden and other top Democrats who recognize that Dean's comments are not going to help the Democrats win elections, so maybe it is simply that he likes Dean and is willing to help him pass the Kool-Aid around to the rest of the party.
In other words, I acknowledge that the post may be innocuous. I'm really much more troubled by the failure to delete the cited racist comment. You did read my entire post, didn't you?
I could go into other issues with that other site, such as the clear-cut bigotry expressed against Christians, Jews, and women (non-liberal females, at least) are all "c*nts" and like terms, according to a lot of his posters.
But I'll concede, he has said similar things about Joe Biden and other top Democrats who recognize that Dean's comments are not going to help the Democrats win elections, so maybe it is simply that he likes Dean and is willing to help him pass the Kool-Aid around to the rest of the party.
In other words, I acknowledge that the post may be innocuous. I'm really much more troubled by the failure to delete the cited racist comment. You did read my entire post, didn't you?
I could go into other issues with that other site, such as the clear-cut bigotry expressed against Christians, Jews, and women (non-liberal females, at least) are all "c*nts" and like terms, according to a lot of his posters.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Jun 11 17:26:54 2005 (A0XQ9)
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you porcine snorkler of right-wing sausages
Oh, and by the way -- I just love it when supposedly tolerant liberals like you make use of derogatory terms for homosexuals as a slur while at the same time accusing CONSERVATIVES of being anti-homosexual. I guess, though, you've shown who the real homophobe is.
Oh, and by the way -- I just love it when supposedly tolerant liberals like you make use of derogatory terms for homosexuals as a slur while at the same time accusing CONSERVATIVES of being anti-homosexual. I guess, though, you've shown who the real homophobe is.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Jun 11 17:29:57 2005 (A0XQ9)
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Well there you go, first time I go for humor, you go right back to your liberal crap, and as we all know from your writing by now you ain't going for the laughs. Oh and might I point out you flaming homophobe I wasn't the one that mentioned that John is gay, makes not a whit of difference to me what his sexual orientation may be. You on the other hand HAD to mention he is gay.
The thing that pisses me off about you is that you have to have seen me write else-where and you should know that at least a 1/3 of what I post here is meant as humor, and all you do is respond by attacking me as "liberal". Further I am not the asshole that refuses to see a man can have an opinion when he was young, and have that opinion change as he ages( see your many asinine comments on Robert "sheets" Byrd) you miserable disingenuous cretin. You laughingly leave out the simple fact that Byrd while having been a "Dixiecrat" was man enough to stay in the Democratic party, after the civil rights act of 1964,and own up to the error of his ways, unlike oh say... Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms to name just two. Unlike those two aforementioned unreconstrucred racists, he admits his actions when he was young were wrong.
Oh and will you please stop with the GODDAMNED christian martyr shit, you god-o-philes have managed to screw up not only yourselves, but also nearly everyone in every generation you manage to procreate. Your constant whining about your alleged persecution as a christian is tiresome, it just isn't so.
The thing that pisses me off about you is that you have to have seen me write else-where and you should know that at least a 1/3 of what I post here is meant as humor, and all you do is respond by attacking me as "liberal". Further I am not the asshole that refuses to see a man can have an opinion when he was young, and have that opinion change as he ages( see your many asinine comments on Robert "sheets" Byrd) you miserable disingenuous cretin. You laughingly leave out the simple fact that Byrd while having been a "Dixiecrat" was man enough to stay in the Democratic party, after the civil rights act of 1964,and own up to the error of his ways, unlike oh say... Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms to name just two. Unlike those two aforementioned unreconstrucred racists, he admits his actions when he was young were wrong.
Oh and will you please stop with the GODDAMNED christian martyr shit, you god-o-philes have managed to screw up not only yourselves, but also nearly everyone in every generation you manage to procreate. Your constant whining about your alleged persecution as a christian is tiresome, it just isn't so.
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at Sat Jun 11 18:53:52 2005 (aHbua)
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Humor? I didn't notice anything funny in what you wrote. And as for referring to you as a liberal, I can't help it that you take liberal positions and support liberal causes, which generally speaking would lead any reasonable observer to call you a liberal. If you don't like being called one, quit being one.
And identifying John as gay is sort of like identifying Jesse Jackson as black -- the man is a full-time gay rights activist, just as Jackson is a full time activist on behalf of the African-American community. There's no bias in noting that, nor any hatred or fear. And you were the one who engaged in the slur, not I.
Oh, and since you mention Thurmond (Helms was not even in politics in 1964), you do realize that he embraced the GOP position on civil rights after he left the Democrats, and was the first southern Senator to hire African-Americans in his Senate offices. Oh, yes, and one more thing -- HE NEVER JOINED OR RECRUITED FOR THE KLAN. If a Republican had the record of Robert Byrd, he would never make it into party leadership -- he would not be elected. Such folks who do manage to get nominated are repudiated -- witness the GOP rejection of and campaign against David Duke, even after he left the Klan.
As for your comments about Christians, insert "Jews" and tell me that such statements would not be anti-Semitic. You cannot, and therefore I stand by my observation, made on my old site, about your bigotry. Your comments are akin to those of a Klansman (not necessarily Robert Byrd) saying "I'm not a racist -- I just hate niggers."
And identifying John as gay is sort of like identifying Jesse Jackson as black -- the man is a full-time gay rights activist, just as Jackson is a full time activist on behalf of the African-American community. There's no bias in noting that, nor any hatred or fear. And you were the one who engaged in the slur, not I.
Oh, and since you mention Thurmond (Helms was not even in politics in 1964), you do realize that he embraced the GOP position on civil rights after he left the Democrats, and was the first southern Senator to hire African-Americans in his Senate offices. Oh, yes, and one more thing -- HE NEVER JOINED OR RECRUITED FOR THE KLAN. If a Republican had the record of Robert Byrd, he would never make it into party leadership -- he would not be elected. Such folks who do manage to get nominated are repudiated -- witness the GOP rejection of and campaign against David Duke, even after he left the Klan.
As for your comments about Christians, insert "Jews" and tell me that such statements would not be anti-Semitic. You cannot, and therefore I stand by my observation, made on my old site, about your bigotry. Your comments are akin to those of a Klansman (not necessarily Robert Byrd) saying "I'm not a racist -- I just hate niggers."
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Jun 11 19:16:18 2005 (A0XQ9)
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Tell you what "Mr. Know-it-all" Google the word "Dixecrat" and please tell me why Helms is mentioned in reference to them, in assorted articles?? As to my personal life, you schmuck, you know not a goddamned thing, you just think you do. Tell you what ass-hat I'll trade you a week of living with whatever disability your wife has if you take care of my diabetic daughter and autistic son for that same week.
Posted by: at Sat Jun 11 19:53:38 2005 (aHbua)
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Nameless Coward -- I am quite familiar with the Dixiecrats, an organization which was still not the KKK and therefore its do not deserve nearly the level of contempt merited by the members of the terrorist organization Byrd joined and made money recruiting for.
As for the relative difficulties faced by you with your kids and me with my wife, I'll concede that it sounds like you've got a difficult situation. I watched my dear cousin grow up with diabetes and suffer through self-checks, injections pump implantation and surgery relatd to the disease. I've watched a different cousin raise an autistic son. I therefore have some inkling of what you are going through, and will own that in some ways you have it worse. You have my prayers, concern, and sympathy -- and I hope your daughter grows up to be a remarkably successful young lady (my cousin is now a hospital administrator, a Mensa member, and brought home a chunk of cash from a game show a few years back) and that some breakthrough rescuse both your son and my cousin's boy from whatever internal maze they are trapped in. And I wish you the strength to do what you must do.
As for the relative difficulties faced by you with your kids and me with my wife, I'll concede that it sounds like you've got a difficult situation. I watched my dear cousin grow up with diabetes and suffer through self-checks, injections pump implantation and surgery relatd to the disease. I've watched a different cousin raise an autistic son. I therefore have some inkling of what you are going through, and will own that in some ways you have it worse. You have my prayers, concern, and sympathy -- and I hope your daughter grows up to be a remarkably successful young lady (my cousin is now a hospital administrator, a Mensa member, and brought home a chunk of cash from a game show a few years back) and that some breakthrough rescuse both your son and my cousin's boy from whatever internal maze they are trapped in. And I wish you the strength to do what you must do.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun Jun 12 02:49:37 2005 (gQEqp)
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