June 09, 2005

Another Sign Of Things To Come

We know, of course, that homosexual marriage advocates would NEVER attempt to force religious groups or individuals to violate their firmly held beliefs against homosexual marriage. So then why does the proposed law permitting homosexual marriage not protect such groups, and why are there already legal actions against religious groups that do not choose to participate in them.

Liberals will tweak their contentious same-sex marriage bill but can't guarantee ironclad religious protections, admits Justice Minister Irwin Cotler.

Churches won't be forced to perform gay weddings, he says.

But it's beyond his legal reach to protect provincial marriage commissioners or religious organizations who turn away same-sex couples, he conceded yesterday.

"That's right," Cotler said, when asked if his hands are tied by jurisdictional limits.

Ottawa has the authority to define marriage but provinces have the power to solemnize weddings.

A range of conflicts has already emerged.

Human rights challenges are underway in cases where religious groups refused to rent halls for gay celebrations.

And given the things that such legislation will apparantly allow to be foisted upon unwilling religious believers, what makes anyone think it will be long before protection for churches themselves is jettisoned?

Posted by: Greg at 05:42 PM | Comments (7) | Add Comment
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1 I thought you were from Texas, now after all this time I find out you are a Canadian!

In the US, there has not been a law even once suggested that didn't SPECIFICALLY protect churchs from having to affiliate with those they hate.

Instead of using baseless scare-tatics and fear-mongering why don't you find examples that actually support your hypothesis under US law, unless you in fact do live in Canada in which case I retract and agree that churchs in your country should be abel to hate whoever they want.

Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 03:49:56 2005 (fgsGh)

2 Excuse me, but the last time I checked, this was MY site. As such, you will not tell me what I can and cannot discuss, nor will you tell me what examples I use to make a certain point.

But let's explain why I site this.

First, the Supreme Court has been citing the laws of other nations to interpret our own -- and our Constitution.

Second, there has been a tendency on the Left to point to European and Canadian laws and practices to support their policy preferences in certaina reas -- including those related to homosexual rights. What is going on in other countries is therefore a relevant consideration for determining where the issue may go.

Third, one of my issues is the persecution of religious believers. That is what is currently happening with restrictions on the free speech rights of religious Canadians with regard to homosexuality, and this is simply one more step on the road to oppression in the Great White North of Soviet Kanukistan.

And, as we have seen, the demands of the homosexual rights movement have progressed over the decades. I'm speculating where this intolerant movement will head next -- to a stripping away of religious freedoms supposedly guaranteed under the First Amendment (as they are supposedly guaranteed under the Charter in Canada).

Oh, and by the way, dolphin -- we don't hate you -- we simply disagree with you and believe that certain conduct is immoral. That is a long way from hate. The fact that you don't see the difference tells me more about YOU and YOUR ATTITUDE towards those with whom you are in disagreement -- with you as the hater.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 10 04:43:32 2005 (LGV5B)

3 I did not in ANYWAY tell you what you could or could not discuss but you are right, this is your site. Enjoy it. I'm not wasting my time since you've replaced intelligent discussion with hate and bickering. I've been VERY careful not to say anything that was in the slighest way inflammatory and yet you've shown time and time again that you care nothing about discussion and only about insulting and attacking. I'll leave and not come back since I refuse to engage you in your hateful nonsense. I can at the very least be given comfort that you cannot reporduce.

Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 04:50:48 2005 (fgsGh)

4 Now there's a kind, considerate, non-hateful and non-inflammatory comment.

I offered an explanation of why I cite developments in other countries. You celebrate the multiple miscariages experienced by my wife and I. Yeah, that's the ticket, dolphin.

Posted by: Rhymes WIth Right at Fri Jun 10 04:59:35 2005 (LGV5B)

5 Boy, for someone who "won't waste his time" here, I sure see a lot of dolphin comments! LOL!!

Good riddance. You were quite the catharthis for even borderline simian IQs (usual present co. excepted, of course!)

Posted by: Hube at Fri Jun 10 08:38:51 2005 (SlnGf)

6 No, I'm actually sorry to see him go. He can make a good contribution, when he isn't making infallible statements without evidence or fabricating positions and quotes for the other side of the issue.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 10 10:18:38 2005 (GRVNH)

7 And all we want to see is an intellectually honest debate.

Posted by: mcconnell at Fri Jun 10 12:03:20 2005 (LmcbS)

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