February 11, 2006
But now we find out that warrantless surveilance for national security purposes was conducted by President Jimmy Carter -- with his personal authorization -- in 1977.
But in 1977, Mr. Carter and his attorney general, Griffin B. Bell, authorized warrantless electronic surveillance used in the conviction of two men for spying on behalf of Vietnam.The men, Truong Dinh Hung and Ronald Louis Humphrey, challenged their espionage convictions to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, which unanimously ruled that the warrantless searches did not violate the men's rights.
In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons."
Notice -- that is "inherent authority". Authority which exists as a part of the authority granted each and every president by Article II of the US Constitution, independent of any statute or law. It is power that Congress cannot restrict or eliminate, and that the courts must recognize.
That is why all of the discussion of the FISA law is irrelevant, and the position of the Bush administration is correct.
That description, some Republicans say, perfectly fits the Bush administration's program to monitor calls from terror-linked people to the U.S.The Truong case, however, involved surveillance that began in 1977, before the enactment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which established a secret court for granting foreign intelligence warrants.
Democrats and some Republicans in Congress say FISA guidelines, approved in 1978 when Mr. Carter was president, are the only way the president may conduct surveillance on U.S. soil.
Administration officials say the president has constitutional authority to conduct surveillance without warrants in the name of national security. The only way Congress could legitimately curtail that authority, they argue, is through an amendment to the Constitution.
The administration's view has been shared by previous Democrat administrations, including Mr. Carter's.
I realize that must stick in the craw of a lot of liberals, but the Constitution trumps any statute. Congress cannot limit the constitutional powers delegated to the other two branches by statute, any more than the president can issue an executive order ending a filibuster or preventing the courts from hearing a case. Congress cannot prevent the exercise of such inherent powers of the Executive branch, any more than the Judicial Branch could issue an order prohibiting ta declaration of war or preventing the president from vetoing a bill.
Let's look at what the Carter Administration had to say about FISA.
When Mr. Bell testified in favor of FISA, he told Congress that while the measure doesn't explicitly acknowledge the "inherent power of the president to conduct electronic surveillance," it "does not take away the power of the president under the Constitution."
Did you get that -- the position of the Carter administration was that the FISA law permitted exactly the sort of activity Carter so inapproriately criticized at Mrs. King's funeral. He climbed on to her corpse to deliver a political attack that he knew was false. He condemned activity that he himself engaged in and defended -- and he knew it. That makes him a hypocritical SOB of the first order. Too bad we cannot impeach him retroactively.
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1977 - No FISA.
1978 - present - FISA.
Inherent authority where no congressional action - broad.
Inherent authority where congressional action - restricted.
Jimmy Carter - great American.
George Bush - Worst. President. Ever.
Posted by: Dan at Sat Feb 11 12:06:34 2006 (aSKj6)
Posted by: Left Behinds at Sat Feb 11 12:36:39 2006 (jznhN)
After all, there are three co-equal branches, and no branch can strip or limit the inherent powers of the others.
If either of you believed in the Constitution, you would not have made the arguments you din.
And as far as Jimmy Carter goes, historians have already weighed his presidency in the balance and found it lacking. They will no doubt find him to be even mor eof a mediocre American than he was a president.
On the other hand, Bush 43 will likely rank nearly as hugh in the pantheon of presidents as America's two greatest 20th century presidents -- FDR and Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Feb 11 13:58:44 2006 (ViQia)
The major difference would have been that in the 1940, the NY Times would have been closed by executive order and the publisher, editors, and reporters involved in reporting the sotry would have been arrested and put on trial for their misdeeds. Today's seditious media get book deals and television interviews. I guess the major difference is that in the 1940s, the party out of power was still loyal to the US -- the party out of power today is not.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Feb 11 14:07:07 2006 (ViQia)
Posted by: Dan at Sat Feb 11 14:46:18 2006 (aSKj6)
And the argument I make on the matter was made by both the Carter and Clinton administrations, not just the Bush administration.
I realize that you prefer different standards for failed presidents you like (Clinton & Carter) and successful presidents you dislike (such as GWB), but the same rules apply to both -- and since we not only have the executive branch making the inherent power argument, but also a court ruling to that effect (what Al Gore would call "controlling legal authority), your argument is pretty weak.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat Feb 11 15:06:26 2006 (ViQia)
Posted by: Alexandra at Sat Feb 11 21:40:42 2006 (9JKJs)
Posted by: everyman at Sun Feb 12 13:33:00 2006 (vUjvd)
I mean its not like the Democrats really believe in the Constitution or rule of law,
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun Feb 12 13:52:52 2006 (uaG9l)
RWR - I believe in the Constitution and the rule of law.
Posted by: Dan at Mon Feb 13 06:40:42 2006 (aSKj6)
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon Feb 13 06:52:45 2006 (vNSjC)
Posted by: Dan at Mon Feb 13 08:08:40 2006 (y9xzG)
I listened to the reverend who attacked Pres. Bush at the funeral as he tried to defend his position. I was embarrassed for him: he might as well have been out there wearing gauze veils...
And, boy, do I wish we could retroactively impeach Carter. He did so much damage in office, it's amazing to see how he continues to leave a trail of misery, still. What a small-minded, mean little man.
Posted by: dymphna at Wed Feb 15 05:35:13 2006 (JWD86)
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