1 I honestly don't care who's responsible - if there are voting problems, we need to address them, whether they're in Ohio (where it appears the Republicans MAY have been involved in some shenanigans), or in places where Democrats are accused of the same. This is a serious non-partisan issue that people tend to treat like a partisan political football, and it really needs to stop. Thanks for bringing this study to my attention.

BTW, you really undercut your credibility when you link to Blogs for Bush. That site is a notorious source of misinformation and intellectual dishonesty.

2 Well, Dan, would you care to offer some examples to back up B4B's "notorious" reputation for "misinformation and dishonesty". You know, someone who is objective -- not a partisan like yourself.

After all, I'm not impressed with the veracity or honesty of a number of sites on your blogroll.

Oh, and by the way -- there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of Republican misdeeds in Ohio, as even teh DNC now admits. Not that the lack of evidence has ever stopped a liberal from making an accusation against the GOP -- which would be accused of being purveyors of "misinformation and intellectual dishonesty" if they tried similar tactics.

3 Sorry, RWR, I can't point to "impartial" evidence of B4B's sliminess. You might notice, however, that comments opposing the positions of the site are either entirely absent, or are responded to and then never heard from again. Honest debate is non-existent because they won't allow it. Pathetic, really.

While I suspect you may find some flaws in some of the links I have on my site, you'll admit, I suspect, that they allow nonprofane commentary in response. B4B can't handle the same.

And, as Reagan said, "there you go again." There are substantive allegations of problems in Ohio, and the DNC report does not whitewash the whole situation - it simply says it didn't find proof of actual fraud that would have changed the result. The DNC is not the only voice out there, and it did not go as far as you seem to think.

But that's not the point. The point is, if there are problems in Ohio or Missouri or Washington, it ought to be investigated in an atmosphere free from the unthinking partisan vitriol you can't help yourself from spewing.

RWR, I realize there are good, intellectually honest republicans out there who would agree that fundamental problems with voting ought to be addressed honestly and impartially. I also know there are democrats out there who will be partisan and unfair in their analysis of voter issues. I thought that maybe you would be able to hold your blind hatred in check for this issue, but I see I was mistaken.

4 Ah, Dan, "there YOU go again".

I ask you for evidence, and you tell me you don't have any -- which in your mind proves your point. Pretty pathetic.

And you have decided that I am "spewing partisan vitriol" because I don't agree with you -- which is, I would think, a classic example of "spewing partisan vitriol". In Ohio, for example, every investigation has shown there was no GOP fraud -- and that voting machines were distributed on according to an impartial formula that discriminated against no one. I realize that the tuth is troubling to you, but it is still the truth. On the other hand Democrat strongholds like Seattle and Milwaukee had massive problems that did materially effect the outcome -- but you don't want to address those.

And frankly, I do agree there are issues to address -- but view the Democrats as an obstacle to addressing them. You folks do not want the rolls purged of ineligible voters, don't want proof of identity, residence, or even citizenship, and don't want to address the traditional practices of Democrat interest groups with long histories of vote fraud. The Democrats even advised making false charges of vote fraud in 2004 -- making their rhetoric about seeking fair elections ring hollow.

5 RWR - I have personally and politely tried to correct factual errors on the B4B page, and the comments are banned. That is simply dishonest, particularly where they allow "rah-rah" comments, and don't include a disclaimer that all comments are screened to avoid contradicting falsehoods spread by the page. If you think that's good policy, I'm surprised. You, OTOH, do a fine job of monitoring and addressing comments with which you disagree.

You are simply mistaken that "every investigation" has cleared Ohio. Simply mistaken. Check out the Harpers Magazine article in the August issue - here's an excerpt - http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html. You may disagree with the conclusions of the authors, but you cannot deny that there are conflicting views.

And RWR, you responded by my suggestion that there MAY have been irregularities in Ohio by attacking liberals - "Not that the lack of evidence has ever stopped a liberal from making an accusation against the GOP -- which would be accused of being purveyors of "misinformation and intellectual dishonesty" if they tried similar tactics." I had not engaged in any such snarkiness, but you were quick to dive into the gutter to launch attacks. I didn't accuse you of spewing partisan vitriol because you disagreed with me - I accused you of spewing partisan vitriol because you spewed partisan vitriol.

And where in the world do you get off claiming that I don't want to address problems in Seattle and Milwaukee? Honestly, where in the world did that come from? Did a little voice tell you that, or did you just assume that I would be as partisan as you seem to be? I am 100% in favor of investigating the problems in Seattle and in Milwaukee. I understand that some Democrat in Milwaukee actually slashed tires on vehicles used by Republicans. Prosecute the idiots! But don't accuse me of hypocrisy that you simply imagine!

I support appropriate purging of voting rolls - though I never will tolerate what happened in Florida in 2000. I support measures taken to prevent voter fraud, though I don't support using faux concerns about voter fraud to disenfranchise voters on either side of the line. I suspect you may hear a few squawks from guilty parties on either side if the investigation gets too hot, but I would not ASSUME that those attempts to avoid blame reflect more widely on all republicans or all democrats.

You, on the other hand, simply make up and assign to me positions I don't hold. I suppose I could claim (totally without support, just as your assumption was) that you don't support allowing minorities to vote, but that would be sinking to a level I prefer to avoid.

6 Get back to me when yu have a credible source, not a screeching polemic.

Oh, and as far as my credentials opposing vote fraud are concerned, I'm an election judge and a member of the Harris COunty GOP ballot security committee -- which holds trainings to make sure that our precinct workers know what election law is so that it is followed.

7 Kinda dodged all the points I made, didn't you? Congrats. Never admit defeat.