August 10, 2005

Libs Lie To Win

Is a lawyer legally or morally responsible for the later actions of those whose rights he defends?

That is the key question that has to be asked before analyzing the current NARAL ad attacking Judge John Roberts.

After all, seven years after he filed a brief arguing that a certain law did not apply in a particular case (a position upheld 6-3 by the Supreme Court), one of those peripherally involved in the case committed a different, much more heinous act of the sort which Judge Roberts had condemned in his brief.

During the 1980s, members of Operation Rescue and other groups sought to prevent abortions by shutting down clinics through human blockades. The protesters massed on the sidewalks outside clinics and tried to stop doctors, nurses and patients from entering. Usually, they overwhelmed the police. However, if police came in force to break up the blockades, the protesters moved on to other clinics.

Keenan noted that in the four years before the Bray case was decided, there had been 48 bombings and arsons of abortion clinics in 24 states.

Defenders of abortion rights looked for a legal weapon to counter the blockades, and they thought they had found it in the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 — originally passed to authorize the federal courts to protect newly freed slaves from violence by whites.

The law applies whenever "two or more persons Â… conspire for the purpose of depriving Â… any persons or class of persons" of their equal rights under the Constitution. It permits judges to issue orders that restrain those who have violated the law.

In 1989, the National Organization for Women sued Operation Rescue in federal court in Alexandria, Va., after a series of clinic blockades. A federal judge ruled that the protesters had conspired to prevent women from obtaining legal abortions, and he issued an order making the protesters subject to arrest if they trespassed near abortion clinics. The U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., upheld that decision.

Operation Rescue lawyers appealed. The Supreme Court agreed to hear the case, which was closely watched nationwide.

Starr and Roberts notified the court that they would file a brief on the side of Operation Rescue, and they asked for time to argue the issue before the justices. Under U.S. law, the solicitor general's primary job is to represent the federal government before the high court, but the office is also free to intervene in other cases that involve some aspect of federal law.

Roberts appeared before the court, opening his remarks by saying that he was not defending the acts of the protesters. Instead, he argued that the Ku Klux Klan Act did not apply in the context of abortion. The century-old law applied only to a "discriminatory deprivation of rights, not simply the deprivation of rights," he said.

"Opposition to abortion is [not] the same as discrimination on the basis of gender. That's wrong as a matter of law and logic," he said. Many women as well as men oppose abortion, and it is not because they hate women, he argued.

Now let's be quite blunt here -- the position he took was correct. Assigning him the blame for a later abortion clinic bombing by Eric Rudolph is like blaming Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP for the acts of the Weathermen by "encouraging" political activism against racial discrimination by waging a legal campaign against Jim Crow.

How false is the charge in the ad? Consider this from FactCheck.org.

An abortion-rights group is running an attack ad accusing Supreme Court nominee John Roberts of filing legal papers “supporting . . . a convicted clinic bomber” and of having an ideology that “leads him to excuse violence against other Americans” It shows images of a bombed clinic in Birmingham , Alabama .

The ad is false.

And the ad misleads when it says Roberts supported a clinic bomber. It is true that Roberts sided with the bomber and many other defendants in a civil case, but the case didn't deal with bombing at all. Roberts argued that abortion clinics who brought the suit had no right use an 1871 federal anti-discrimination statute against anti-abortion protesters who tried to blockade clinics. Eventually a 6-3 majority of the Supreme Court agreed, too. Roberts argued that blockades were already illegal under state law.

The images used in the ad are especially misleading. The pictures are of a clinic bombing that happened nearly seven years after Roberts signed the legal brief in question.

In other words, the only two facts that are accurate in the ad are that Roberts submitted the brief and that Rudolph blew up the clinic. Any attempt to draw a connection betwee those two events is completely specious.

Actually, one could make an argument that the reaction to the Supreme Court decision was much more directly responsible for Rudolph's violent acts. Virginia prosecuted the protesters for the non-violent blockades (similar to civil rights sit-ins of the 1960s) and obtained convictions for them. Bill Clinton and his pro-abortion cohorts passed the the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (FACE) to authorize the very sort of prosecutions that the pro-abortionists in the Bray case were seeking. Having cut off an effective means of peaceful, non-violent civil disobedience to protest abortion, Rudolph turned to violence. Bill Clinton and company are therefore responsible for the bombing of the Alabama abortuary.

Of course such an argument would be false -- just as false as the NARAL ad. And were we on the pro-life side of the abortion issue to make such an argument, NARAL and its allies would rightly condemn us.

But they are more than willing to lie in the service of their liberal cause.

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Posted by: Greg at 06:10 AM | Comments (15) | Add Comment
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1 Sorry, but nobody who uses the term "pro-abortion" to describe those who are "pro-choice" can legitimately complain about twisted logic or lies.

Posted by: Dan at Wed Aug 10 11:23:28 2005 (aSKj6)

2 So rather than engage in honest discussion about the lies by the pro-abortionists, you prefer an ad hominem attack.

"Pro-choice" is a euphamism to avoid the issue.

The choice you folks are for is the choice to have an abortion.

After all, I am quite pro-choice -- I simply do not believe that abortion is a legitimate choice that we can permit.

And if you doubt my point, consider this -- are you "pro-choice" on parents having their child educated in the school of their choice at taxpayer expense?

Are you "pro-choice" on allowing businesses to discriminate in employment or who they will serve based upon race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation?

Are you "pro-choice" on the teaching ofIntelligent Design in public schools?

Are you "pro-choice" on starting the school day with prayer over the PA?

Are you "pro-choice" when it comes to a father deciding whether or not to support a child he does not want?

No, we know that you are not. So clearly the "choice" that you are after is ABORTION. Why are you ashamed to admit as much? Why do you have to attack your opponents? Could it be that you don't even support the right of others to disagree with you, or to clearly state what the real issue is?

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Aug 10 12:18:53 2005 (oikFn)

3 Rhymes
You don't even know what an ad hominem attack is.
You sure write a lot for someone with nothing to say.

Posted by: at Wed Aug 10 14:47:32 2005 (D1OHD)

4 And what exactly do we say about a gutless coward who won't put any identifying information about him/herself when commenting?

Would you care to explain why my assertion that there was an ad hominem is incorrect?

And I have plenty to say -- and the credentials and experience to back up my words.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Aug 10 15:00:47 2005 (oikFn)

5 Okay, RWR, the proper term should be "pro-choice on the abortion issue", but most people understand that from the context. I guess I was counting on a little more intellectual energy than is available at the moment. I'm not at all ashamed of that - I just thought you were smart enough to understand the context. I'm sorry if I was mistaken.

And, as for attacks, it was you that started calling people liars and accusing them of twisting logic. I just pointed out that you don't get to use those accusations while you're calling pro-choice people pro-abortion. I didn't call you any names or engage in any ad hominem attacks.

To clarify the distinction, I assume that you are pro-free speech. Does that mean you are pro-calling Bush a Nazi? Does that mean you are pro-obscenity?

I am no more pro-abortion than you are pro-calling Bush a Nazi.

And where in the world do you get off accusing me of not being in favor of allowing people to disagree with me? What shred of evidence do you have to support such a ludicrous position? Are you hearing voices or something, because the closest I came to engaging in that kind of behavior was a simple statement that your arguments about honesty just don't fly when you're using dishonest language. You're free, of course, to be as dishonest as you like, as you seem to enjoy the behavior.

Posted by: Dan at Wed Aug 10 15:58:39 2005 (aSKj6)

6 No -- the proper term is pro-abortion. You may not like the fact that the proper term is pro-abortion, but that's what it is. You support abortion. Why be ashamed to admit it, unless you admit that there is something unsavory about abortion itself.

As far as NARAL is concerned, you might want to do a little checking into the history of the group. It began as the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws. It hen became the National Abortion Rights Action League. It now has whatever the goofy name is -- I don't pay attention to that any more. Its prior names, as well as its entire history and its platform, make it quite clear that it is a pro-abortion organization. There is simply no way to deny that. Therefore there is no dishonesty in telling it like it is.

As for the "calling Busha Nazi" thing is concerned, I am all in favor of folks who believe that doing so. It makes it easier for those of us who have studied the real Nazis to recognize those folks who are so out of contact with reality and morality that they have nothing to say that is worth hearring. As for obsecenity, I don't have any problem with those who produce or watch such crap, as long as it is not forced upon the unwilling.

As for your lack of willingness to allow others to disagree with you, your repeated impotent statements about what arguments I may and may not make on my own site indicate that you long to grasp the power to censor those with whom you disagree.

Oh -- and nice ad hominenm, accusing me of mental illness. And how liberal of you, to make fun of those afflicted with an illness over which they have no control. If you had spent any time working with such stuff (I have -- three years), you wouldnot find such an insult to be acceptable.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Aug 10 16:23:14 2005 (oikFn)

7 No, RWR - I'm realizing that you have a tough time acknowledging when you are mistaken (like back when you lost focus on voting fraud), so this will be my last post on this topic.

RWR, I do not like abortion. I wish that we lived in a world where they were never sought. It is not that there is anything "unsavory" about it (odd word, that, for this discussion), but it is sad. I am most definitely not "pro-abortion". The fact that you insist it "is the proper term" doesn't make it so. If you stop and think about it for a minute, I imagine you will come to understand the difference.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your handling of the pro-calling Bush a nazi and pro-obscenity issues, because you demonstrated that you agree with me, though you'll never admit it. You don't support free speech because you think obscenity is a good thing, or that calling Bush a nazi is a good thing. But, your commitment to free speech allows you to let others make other choices. You support the rights of others to have different views - and this is important - "as long as it is not forced upon the unwilling." BINGO. Point, set, match. We agree.

My statement was that you cannot "legitimately" make an argument. Go ahead, read it again, and you'll see I'm correct. You can write whatever you care to write, RWR, and I'll defend your right to do so. But that doesn't mean that your arguments are legitimate, does it? Did you REALLY think I was proposing censorship, RWR, or were you trying to score a dishonest rhetorical point?

Finally, regarding the mental illness quip. This is twice in recent threads that you have completely made up positions for me. Last time, you somehow imagined that I opposed investigating voter fraud in Milwaukee, even though I had specifically called for investigations wherever credible controversy exists. This time, you accuse me of not allowing others to disagree with me, when I have never, ever, proposed any such thing.

Maybe the "voices" thing was out of line, and, if so, I apologize. But, in total seriousness, RWR, I wonder where you come up with this stuff. I sincerely think that when you see a post from a liberal such as myself, you really do "hear" every argument that Limbaugh or Coulter is (falsely) telling you that liberals make, and you are reacting to those straw men rather than what I have placed before you. I'm at loss for any other explanation.

Posted by: Dan at Thu Aug 11 00:46:16 2005 (aSKj6)

8 I grow very tired of your pathetic attempts to avoid the fact that you and your fellow "pro-choice" individuals are actually "pro-abortion". Your denial is sucha sad, pathetic thing.

Why do I suport the two examples of speech you mention? Because I am pro-speech, not because I am pro-choice.

And as far as Limbaugh and Coulter are concerned -- I don't listen to him often (I work), and I rarely read her.

And I will leave you with this -- just as you pointed out that your use of the term "pro-choice" is a short-hand, so is my use of "pro-abortion" -- it is easier that saying "pro-legal-abortion." And it is no less accurate.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Aug 11 01:09:30 2005 (VdQXe)

9 Oh, and two last points.

1) I notice that you are won't address the actual issue here -- NARAL's utterly indefensible lies about John Roberts.

2) I quit commenting on the other thread because I was bored -- and somewhat embarrassed that you would believe some of the crap you were putting out. I call that "good manners." My assumption about Milwaukee was based upon your "Ohio vote fraud" accusations (utterly unproven) while you were silent on documented Democrat fraud.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Aug 11 01:18:46 2005 (VdQXe)

10 Despite my best intentions:

1) haven't investigated it yet.

2) False. Go read it again.

Posted by: Dan at Thu Aug 11 01:21:35 2005 (aSKj6)

11 Hah - sometimes I just can't help myself -

I have now done some research on the NARAL ad, and I think it's misleading, misguided, and a waste of money.

Posted by: Dan at Thu Aug 11 04:51:16 2005 (HBqfk)

12 Thanks for the link.

If they aren't pro-abortion, they certainly make plenty of T-shirts that show otherwise.

http://www.icecoldtshirts.com/product.php3/pid/63/prodn/I-HAD-AN-ABORTION

Posted by: John Bambenek at Thu Aug 11 05:41:37 2005 (emT+X)

13 One t-shirt, from a place that prides itself in offending people, is supposed to represent liberal thought? From the same place that has a "Unions suck: If you don't like your job, go get an education" shirt? Good work, Bambi.

Posted by: Dan at Thu Aug 11 07:57:48 2005 (HBqfk)

14 Hi Dan,

Actually, those shirts are popular among hard line feminists. They honestly believe it to be a badge of pride.

I want to follow them with a shirt showing what a partial birth abortion looks like.

Bartleby

Posted by: Bartleby at Thu Aug 11 10:05:46 2005 (lkCzp)

15 Bartleby - where are they popular? I've been around NYC a fair amount, St. Louis and Kansas City, and I've never seen one worn. I hang around a lot of feminists, and I'm married to one you would probably consider "hard line", but this badge of pride is new to me. I'm not saying that they're not worn, I'm just saying I've never seen one, and I find it hard to believe that they are "popular".

Posted by: Dan at Thu Aug 11 18:00:08 2005 (aSKj6)

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