June 08, 2005
The Senate on Wednesday confirmed California judge Janice Rogers Brown for the federal appeals court, ending a two-year battle filled with accusations of racism and sexism and shadowed by a dispute over Democratic blocking tactics.Senators quickly followed by ending another long-term filibuster, clearing the way for a vote Thursday on former Alabama Attorney General William Pryor as outlined in an agreement last month that averted a showdown that could have brought Senate action to a halt.
After giving Pryor a final vote and confirming two Michigan nominees to other appeals court posts, senators plan to leave President Bush's other controversial nominees dangling, moving on to other matters after devoting a month to historic but exhausting debate over judges.
President Bush commended the Senate for voting to confirm Brown. "During her tenure on the California Supreme Court and California Court of Appeal, Justice Brown has distinguished herself as a brilliant and fair-minded jurist who is committed to the rule of law," Bush said in a statement.The Senate voted 56-43 to confirm Brown to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and 67-32 to end the filibuster of Pryor's nomination to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals — the last of the three nominees Democrats agreed to clear in exchange for Republicans not banning judicial filibusters.
As a bonus, the Senate will confirm on Thursday Michigan nominees David McKeague and Richard Griffin, nominated to the 6th Circuit in Cincinnati, said Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.
While those two weren't part of the deal to avoid a fight over judicial filibusters, Democrats withdrew their objections to their confirmation during the back-and-forth negotiations.
Andhaving confirmed these judges, there will be no case to be made that any future nominees with similar backgrounds and philosophies are extreme -- not that there ever was a legitimate case to be made in the first place.
And who knows -- maybe we will be fortunate enough to get Miguel Estrada or John Cornyn nominated to the Supreme Court.
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So Pryor ruling repeatedly against gay citizens every chance he got, even publishing anti-gay tirades over cases that never entered his court doesn't mark him as an extremist.
I surely hope you're not being a hypocrite and would equally agree that there was no extremism present in a nominee that did exactly the same thing to Christians.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 04:13:52 2005 (fgsGh)
Following your logic, every single politician and judge that is a significant advocate for gun control is an extremist.
Bartleby
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 05:41:30 2005 (lkCzp)
I use a different ID on another blog and accidentally signed off as that here.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 05:42:07 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 06:28:34 2005 (fgsGh)
Democrat judges and politicians consistently attack HUGE populations.
If you like guns, you're a redneck, a caveman, or a 'gun nut'.
If you oppose "reasonable" gun control, you're a "gun nut". Funny that the slippery slope argument has proven to be true with gun control. Every year it's just a little bit more "reasonable" control. "All we're asking for is x", but then next year, they want x AND y. The year after that, it's even more.
So yes, following your logic, most Democrat politicians and judges are extremists.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 06:35:19 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 08:40:49 2005 (fgsGh)
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 08:47:06 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 08:48:53 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 09:38:36 2005 (fgsGh)
Bartleby
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 09:46:25 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 11:24:43 2005 (4CZkM)
That is where your whole argument falls apart, as you fail to take the mandatory first step -- proving that your revision of the definition of marriage that has been applied for the last couple millenia is correct and that the traditional one is wrong. You start with that as a given, rather than your initial assertion to be proved, and therefore convince no one of the rest of your argument.
And from there, the argument about Pryor (and the rest of us opposed to government recognition of homosexual marriage) falls apart. Disagreeing with a point of your argument does not mean that we don't believe you are a human being -- it merely means that we believe you to be a human being who is wrong in his position on the issue at hand.
And then to start with
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 11:30:53 2005 (JMjzp)
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 11:34:01 2005 (JMjzp)
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Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 9 12:06:35 2005 (F02fZ)
It's a setback -- certainly a huge setback.
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Thu Jun 9 13:35:26 2005 (ODDFf)
Sub:
To answer your question, one of the sites that Pryor linked to was the Family Research Council (www.frc.org). While RWR may consider this group to be "mainstream" and "acceptable to the majority of Americans" I do not and I believe a look at the site speaks for itself. Aside from being a blantantly religous site, and being blantantly anti-gay (in fact a major stated purpose of the FRC is to stop marriage equality), the president of FRC has confirmed KKK links.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 13:51:29 2005 (MIt/1)
Also, I think your assertion that the FRC is a hate group is proof that your defingition of "anti-gay hate group" is "anyone who disagrees with dolphin on gay issues." And the documented Klan links" consist of renting David Duke's mailing list and speaking to a conservative citizen's group that has its roots in groups opposing integration. Unfortunately, though, that would also require you to state that many Democrats, including the homosexual friendly Dick Gephardt, also have documented links to the KKK.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 15:43:50 2005 (wfdL5)
Like I said, I'll let the FRC site speak for itself. They are a well known anti-gay organization and I am by far not the first person to assign that designation to the organization. The fact that you honestly think they are an appropriate "resource" for the government to link to scares me about the fate of this country should people like you get hold of it and quite frankly knocks down much of the respect I once held you in.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 9 17:08:46 2005 (MIt/1)
And you are right -- others have made the same statement about them -- and they are wrong.
Or does the fact that some have made statements about the ACLU and NAACP which call them extremist and anti-American make such charges true? And are such labels a legitimate basis for banning them from governemnt websites?
What you and yoiur ilk engage in is nothing more than a left-wing form of McCarthyism.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 9 17:48:19 2005 (WrPVI)
Like I said, the site speaks for itself. I don't have to defend my views of it, it's all there.
Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 03:57:13 2005 (fgsGh)
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Posted by: dolphin at Fri Jun 10 03:58:32 2005 (fgsGh)
Posted by: mcconnell at Fri Jun 10 04:20:56 2005 (LmcbS)
But as I've thought about it, it seems clear to me that your statements above (linking folks to the Klan, labeling groups as hate groups, and as found on another thread, saying that right-wingers have made this country stand for something other than freedom) really are accusations that conservatives and their organizations are anti-American. You just lack the integrity and testicular fortitude to come out and say it.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 10 04:48:36 2005 (LGV5B)
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/086019.php
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 10 04:56:15 2005 (LGV5B)
I checked out the FRC website and cannot say that I find it to be inherently bigoted. Instead I would say that I find it to be religion oriented and that part of their beliefs is that marriage is between a man and a woman.
While I don't care who marries whom, I don't find it to be bigoted to say that marriage is a religious bond that was formed by Christianity and that such omits same-sex pairings.
What I *am* curious to find out is if RWR et al would mind some other form of legislated domestic pairing for homosexuals.
...well?
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 10 06:41:45 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: Hube at Fri Jun 10 08:41:38 2005 (SlnGf)
While my Christian beliefs don't match his 100%, that makes neither he nor I less Christian. It just means that we see His word in different ways.
RWR isn't a hater - any true Christian is a lover of all.
Bartleby
Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 10 09:04:16 2005 (lkCzp)
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri Jun 10 10:24:27 2005 (GRVNH)
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Posted by: Subjugator at Fri Jun 10 14:09:43 2005 (F02fZ)
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