1 I would venture to say that he's right.

"a lot of" Republicans "have never made an honest living in their lives"

Do you deny this? I would most certainly never deny that a lot of Democrats have never made an honest living in their lives.

I work three jobs (and take classes during the school year) just to keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, yet I can certainly admit there are those who vote for the same people I do who make a significant amount more money than I do while doing significantly less work.

2 I'm pointing out that Dean, a son of wealth and privilege who heads a party with wealthier office holders and wealthier donors than the GOP, is palying the class warfare card in an attempt to accuse the GOP of being the party of his own constituency and fellow Democrats.

3 Hypocrite is Dean's middle name...just right after "Yeaarrrggghh!"

4 Is that all you can say, McConnell?

RWR, you must be proud to claim that you have the disabled wife.

R-

5 I don't have a problem with wealthy people, but for Dean to say that is the pt calling the kttle black.

When I was a kid, we were poor. We were *dirt* poor to be more specific. My mother's gross income was 60% of welfare and we received no government assistance. No child support came in from my father either.

We were Republicans.

I am now well off. My political beliefs have moved toward libertarianism, but they remain fiscally conservative.

When I voted in the last election, I arrived with two hours to spare on the 'official' time. They came up and told us we might not get to vote because we didn't get there early enough. I made it perfectly clear that I was going to vote and that there was nothing they could do to stop me.

The response of the Democrat who was running my polling site? She called the police on me and told them I was agitating the crowd (I was taking names and phone numbers for the lawsuit and was calling lawyers, the local Republican party, my senator, and my representative...I also urged people to sit down and refuse to move if they told us we couldn't vote). The police got there at the same time as a reporter. I got angrier when I saw she'd called the police and told her that I'm sure the reporter would *LOVE* to get a picture of them arresting me for trying to vote. The police saw me and asked me what I was doing. I told them what was going on and they told her that I wasn't doing anything illegal and that they couldn't make me leave (the polling place was a church that was open 24x7). Her response? "Can't you arrest him for causing a disturbance or something? These people are very angry."

Let's see...they're angry because I'm trying to make it so we all can vote, not because you're telling them they can't.

In the end, it took me five and a half hours to get to vote, but we all got to.

It was a Democrat that called the police. It was a Democrat that tried to get me arrested.

Yeah, I'm a fat cat. I get up at 5:00am every day to go to work. I foster three children. I own a business that works as a second job. Does that sound like a fat cat to you?

Sub

6 No, simply stating a fact.

And given a certain experience that she, a registered Democrat and a confirmed liberal, had with the Dean campaign and its operatives when she tried to do volunteer work for them, I think the encounter would be a rather interesting one.

7 They tried to keep you from voting? That is odd, because I know that here in Texas we are required to allow anyone who is in line at closing time to cast their ballot, no matter how long that proces takes. One year we remained open an extra two hours, until the last person in line (a cop who had just gotten off duty at 6:30) was done. In 2004, we didn't have a long wait at the end of the day, but did earlier. For details you can check out my old blog (www.precinct333.blogspot.com) or go to the archives of one of my (Democrat) poll workers over at The People's Republic of Seabrook (www,intellectualize.org) -- check the election day entries at both.

What state are you in that the election judge claims the right to lock the doors and cut off voting? Were you able to confirm that she was making a threat to act illegally?

8 Yeah Sub,

I might not think very much of you, but if you're an American citizen and arrived at the polls during operating hours (even if the lines would prevent you from voting until after hours) you should have been allowed to vote. Did you get her name and report her???

9 Sub, you're odd -- I never had a problem at any polling stations.

Maybe you did something.

R-

10 Nice red herring "R", it fits you.


Subjugator, did you report on this elsewhere besides on RWR? That is one heck of a story. Imagine the nerve of pollers telling people cannot vote just because the line is too long.

Oooh, more from Reverunnn Dean:

Dean preaches values in Kansas City visit

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - National Democratic Chairman Howard Dean quoted the Bible, the golden rule and moral values Friday

"They are a party in desperate search for a message or an identity, whichever comes first," said Missouri GOP consultant John Hancock. "Judging by Mr. Dean's comments, they are not there yet."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11811929.htm


Yeah, I agree. Dean's not totally there.

11 Sounds like he did, as far as the election judge was concerned -- he tried to vote.

Heck, maybe we had someone trying to set up "credible allegations of disenfranchisement"to delegitimize GOP victories. I mean hey, it worked in Democrat run counties in 2000 -- Democrats screwed up the election, but it was somehow the fault of the GOP, according to the activists.

12 I live in Plainfield Indiana, which is flat out Republican country. Indiana is so heavily red that presidential candidates don't even bother campaigning here, and Hendricks county is so red that the streets might as well run with red paint.

What the Inspector for the polling place said was (paraphrased): "Anyone not past this line at 6:30pm will not be allowed to vote."

I told her she's not allowed to do that, and that she has to allow anyone that was in line at the time the polls closed to vote. She walked away.

That's when I started acting as an agitator...getting names, phone numbers, and addresses for the suit. She was clearly in the wrong and we needed to stop her.

When the police got there and she found out that they wouldn't back her up and that our tiny little local newspaper would love a story like that, she started thinking of other ideas. Sad that it took that much to get her to do the right thing.

The end result: She said the law requires that the line has to stop X number of feet from the actual polling location at the time of closure. My response: "Does the line have to be single file?" She blinked and said no...so I yelled to everyone (there were a few hundred of us in line at the time): "Pack it in people, we're all going to vote!" She grimaced and we all jammed up like sardines and we all voted.

I admit that I'd have liked to nail her for trying that, but I wanted to vote more than that. In the end, we found a solution and everybody got to vote.

It is disgusting to me that in some places in this country some people were not allowed to vote because of circumstances that were not of their own construction. I have no sympathy for wanted felons who are afraid to go vote or things like that, but for people who showed up on time (heck, for people who just plain showed up) and had the right to vote, they should get to.

If the polls in Afghanistan can stay open for days at a time, ours certainly can. Nobody will be hurt by doing so, and while it may cost a bit more...big deal. Let people have their say.

I'll tell you what - one of the few things I liked about California was public referendum. That's one thing they got right.

Sub

13 Good story sub.

14 interesting stuff, subjugator. i find it hard to believe that it happened in Indiana. but glad that you stood up for what you believed in. I would have done the same.

mcconnell, nobody cared about your comments --- please do us a favor, get lost.

R-

15 "R", I believe RWR is asking me to stay. He's the blogowner...not you. Or haven't you noticed that?


It's certainly NOT hard to believe that such incidents can and do occur.

Hey, Sub, did the town change the rule regarding the "line" for the next election?

16 It's actually a state law. The ruling from the Federal Judge in Ohio that basically said 'if someone wants to vote, they can' applies to us as well, so I'm a bit comforted by said ruling.

I may not agree with everything that my political opponents have to say, but if you REALLY want to offend me, tell me they can't vote.

This may sound pathetic, but I was *REALLY* upset by this. I had to fight from crying...I felt like a little sissy wuss, but it was incredibly surreal and scary to me. I mean, that kind of stuff happens in *other* countries, right?

It all worked out, and a good judge stepped in and corrected the issue, thank heavens.

Sub