November 22, 2005
At least two of those attacked are veterans.
And here I thought we were supposed to honor our veterans and their service, and not question their position on the Iraq war.
The MoveOn.org ads are scheduled to begin airing nationally Thanksgiving Day. Local ads targeted to the individual congressmen will run on cable systems in each of the lawmakers' home districts a few days later, said Tom Matzzie, MoveOn.org's Washington director.Last Thursday, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., called for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. The next day, the Republican-controlled House hastily arranged for a vote on Murtha's resolution. Democrats accused Republicans of orchestrating a political stunt that prohibited thoughtful debate on the issue, and nearly all voted against the measure. The final tally was 403 against Murtha's resolution and three in favor of it.
So it seems that the representatives are all within the mainstream -- even Murtha voted for the resolution -- but MoveOn.Org will not show other veterans the same respect they demand for the cut-and-run congressman from Pennsylvania.
It seems like it is high time for the American people to tell MoveOn to EffOff.
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Posted by: Dan at Wed Nov 23 03:07:04 2005 (D+DIf)
Remember they have infallible authority because they lost a child, or 30 years ago they spent some time in the militar..
Or is it, we can't speak against them because they espouse the same crapola you do, thus you see them above reproach, yet anyone that does not hold your views should be put on a spit and grilled...
Ahh..double standards, gotta love it when the left thinks they have everyone hoodwinked..
Well they do have themselves hoodwinked and thats about it.
Posted by: Scubachris at Wed Nov 23 03:29:00 2005 (AktpP)
"The intolerant left don't allow us to speak against those against the war."
Oh really? Gee, in my liberal city I can turn on three of four radio stations that regularly have people speaking against those against the war. In fact, many on those stations call us traitors.
Meanwwhile, before the war started MSNBC cancelled Phil Donohue's show, in spite of the fact that it was the channel's highest-rated show. Yet the righties are silent regarding this act of censorship.
Posted by: didjman at Wed Nov 23 04:03:19 2005 (1I4e7)
Posted by: Dan at Wed Nov 23 04:10:22 2005 (D+DIf)
Are you trying to argue that "big bad conservative MSNBC" censored Donahue? You must be kidding! MSNBC is not a conservative outlet.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Nov 23 04:15:24 2005 (3wvNJ)
From the beginning, there was a small but steady stream of complaints from viewers (or those who claimed to be), decrying Donahue's liberal opinions. While the complaints weren't closely monitored by network executives, there was a growing feeling that Donahue's political beliefs may be a problem in the future. Network executives I spoke with admitted that there had been a directive aimed at the show, which mandated a "fair, but lively" mix of viewpoints-both left and right. They also admit to an early fear that the show may be a "troublesome issue" as the U.S. lurched closer to a war with Iraq.
But many of the show's biggest boosters felt that the guidelines hamstrung a format that was being challenged by critics from the right. Rather than "letting Phil be Phil," imposing a "quota system on guests" resulted in shows that often degenerated into shouting matches between liberal and conservatives. "Sometimes the show ended up being some warped version of 'Crossfire,' which wasn't what we (the network) wanted," explained one high-placed NBC News official. "And it wasn't doing Donahue any favors, either."
Ironically, while liberals may have found the show's editorial mix unsatisfying, those inside the network often felt the show still leaned too far left for advertiser's comfort. One email from that period discussed the "challenges" faced by MSNBC as it attempted to promote the show. "...and after watching last night's show, I'm not sure what type of show we're doing....forget the constant braying back and forth between guests," complained one network insider. "Tell me, are we reaching our core audience? Sometimes, I feel as if I'm watching MSNPR, rather than a network associated with NBC News."
It's clear that MSNBC was wary of having a strong anti-war voice on as the Bush administration was gearing up to invade Iraq.
For right-wingers to complain that their views are quashed is absurd. They're quick to say that liberals have a "victim mentality", yet righties have been squawking about the so-called "liberal media" for 40 years. Hey, if you believe in the free-market, don't complain when the free-market gives you results you don't like.
Posted by: didjman at Wed Nov 23 08:15:16 2005 (u/50d)
What that means is that the free market worked -- and the show was cancelled because it was not economically viable on its own and threatened to take down other shows with it as consumer complaints and advertiser objections would inevitably eat into the ratings of other MSNBC offerings.
Sounds like the market worked to me.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Nov 23 08:56:28 2005 (z8veF)
Posted by: Hube at Wed Nov 23 11:48:03 2005 (OxPou)
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