December 25, 2005

From The Holy Gospel According To Saint Luke, Second Chapter

1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria.
3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city.

4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David,
5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child.
6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered.
7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
Glory in the Highest

8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.
10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:

14 “ Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!

15 So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, “Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger.
17 Now when they had seen Him, they made widely known the saying which was told them concerning this Child.
18 And all those who heard it marveled at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19 But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20 Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them.

Posted by: Greg at 05:59 PM | Comments (55) | Add Comment
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1 You know that Jesus was actually born in September, right?
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/birthday.htm

December 25th is Saturnalia -- a blowout, weeklong Roman festival of orgies and feasting to celebration the birth of the sun god! Io Saturnalia, everybody! Keep the Saturn in Saturnalia!

Celebrate Jesus' birthday as well, any excuse for a party in midwinter is a good excuse -- just don't forget the real reason for the season.

Posted by: Ben at Mon Dec 26 18:01:39 2005 (cQlBT)

2 Actually, March is more likely, given the fact that the shepherds were in the fields with their sheep -- that is what was done when the lambs were being born. Ultimately, though, we have no indication of the actual date of Jesus' birth.

No one disputes that the celebration of Christ's birth was set in December to compete with the festival of Sol Invictus -- "baptizing" a pagan custom of having a large celebration at that time.

Whatever the origin of the original pagan feast, the Christian purpos of the feast is to mark the Incarnation of the Word Become Flesh -- and that is the reason for the season, not the celebration of a false god.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue Dec 27 00:52:52 2005 (WqIA1)

3 Pagans, Christians, Jews, agnostics, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, etc decorate their trees, light their candles, hoist toasts of Jul (yule ale) to celebrate the return of longer days and what have you together... without demanding that everybody have the same reason for the season.

If we understand history, demagogues can't divide us by claiming that the Yuletide season belongs only to one group.

Constantine moved Jesus's birthday to Dec 25 because, "His primary, indeed obsessive, objective was unity -- unity in politics, in religion, and in territory. A cult or state religion that included all other cults within it obviously helped to achieve this objective...In the interests of unity, Constantine deliberately chose to blur the distinctions among Christianity, Mithraism [another Sun cult of the time] and Sol Invictus..."
http://www.candlegrove.com/sacaea.html

Constantine moved early Christianity's day of rest to Sunday from Saturday for the same reason and he "unified" the bible, demanding that gospels that didn't portray Jesus as a strict pro-authoritarian be thrown out. Constantine, like many of today's 'War on Christmas' demagogues, was a politician with an agenda.

Posted by: Ben at Tue Dec 27 06:38:47 2005 (cQlBT)

4 Now you are citing "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" as a reliable source? That alone permits anyone with a lick of sense to stop taking you seriously.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue Dec 27 07:40:10 2005 (4NwUk)

5 God Jul! I'm too busy celebrating the 3-months-late birthday of Jesus and the birth of Saturn to waste time arguing!

Constantine was a smart old bird of a politico. A very inclusive, politically correct guy. He'd admire your sophistry.

Posted by: Ben at Tue Dec 27 13:09:52 2005 (cQlBT)

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