September 04, 2006

Anti-Gunners Are Anti-Individual Liberty

I've always accepted the argument that if "the right of the people to peaceably assemble" confers an individual liberty in the First Amendment, and the right of the people to be secure in their homes and their papers confers an individual liberty against government intrusion, then certain tly the right of the people to keep and bear arms" in the Second Amendment (written by the same folks at the same time) must obviously recognize an individual liberty as well. After all, in neither of the other cases does the term "the people" recognize a right limited to the state government but not extended to the individual.

In line wih my thinking on that matter, I've always wondered if the anti-gunners are simply folks who are too scared of individual liberty to permit the unrestrained exercise of the rights protected by the Constitution -- or even to permit the crabbed, limited exercise of such rights. But rarely have I seen such a frank and startling admission of this reality by an anti-gunner. But the NY Times' Verlyn Klinkenborg makes it clear that such a fear of liberty is exactly what animates some anti-gunners in today's lament that even "progressive" Minnesota allows for "concealed carry".

Every concealed weapon, with very few exceptions, is a blow against the public safety. The new gun laws in Minnesota take away local discretion over concealed-weapon permits, and they cost the local authorities plenty too.

But there’s a bigger problem. By focusing so obsessively on an individual’s rights — in this case, the purported individual right to bear arms in the library — all other rights are shoved aside. Police departments are forced to grant concealed-weapon permits to individuals who have almost none of the training and certainly none of the restrictions that police officers have.

WhatÂ’s worse, by granting this right to individuals, the law strips the public of its right to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot. The police are trained to handle guns. The criminals know theyÂ’re not supposed to have them but find them easy to get, thanks to the N.R.A. Let them fight it out. No one is safer if gun-carrying civilians believe their rights entitle them to pretend theyÂ’re cops.

Sometimes I think the N.R.A. isn’t really about guns at all. It’s about making certain that the public — our political and civil society, in other words — has no ability to limit the rights of an individual. That is really what the logic of the “concealed carry” and “shall require” and “shoot first” laws says.

Guns make a perfect test case, because the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights. The N.R.A. has armed the thousands of Minnesotans who applied for a permit once the “concealed carry” law passed. But it has disarmed the public by making sure that legislators will no longer vote for gun laws that protect the rest of us.

Yeah, you read that right. This NY Times editorialist is upset that the people and their representatives allow for too much freedom. What of the right of the state, we are asked, to crack down upon individual liberty and guarantee that we are not "too free." The same paper that wants to protect the rights of terrorists to plot their assaults on the United States free from effective monitoring is concerned that Americans might have too great a liberty to protect themselves. Those who insist that there is a right to privacy that guarantees an abortion and prevents the state from accessing abortion records to investigate criminal sexual assault of young girls laments the fact that gun-ownership records are not freely open to the general public.

Interestingly enough, what is lacking in this article is evidence of Klinkenborg's purported reason for opposing gun rights -- that the increased availability of guns makes us less safe. The statistics don't show that, so it is merely presumed, assumed, and asserted.

But when it comes down to it, Klinkenborg admits it is about fear of freedom -- and a willingness to restrict the rights protected by the Second Amendment that Knlinkenborg and the Times would never accept if applied to the First Amendment rights of the New York Times.

Posted by: Greg at 10:31 PM | Comments (11) | Add Comment
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1 you said "the right of the people to be secure in their hoes" .  What you takin bout, Rhymes.  On a more serious note... the "Bill of Rights" is just that, rights of individuals or "the people".  

Posted by: john at Tue Sep 5 07:01:46 2006 (i/ySc)

2 What an awful typo!

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue Sep 5 07:36:47 2006 (4nXaP)

3 you're a dummy and a complete poopoohead.

Posted by: gus van sant at Tue Sep 5 12:04:27 2006 (FVFPJ)

4 Like most anti-gunners, Verlyn Klinkenborg claims taking away rights to carry legal firearms adds to the same persons' liberties. How does this happen, the denial of rights adding to the persons' rights?

She seems to ignore the fact that in every state that has concealed carry laws the crime rate has decreased.

I'll be here to here her apologies.

Posted by: Tom Tuttle at Tue Sep 5 12:14:42 2006 (0cBRS)

5 Correct to read "I'll be here to hear her apology"

Posted by: Tom Tuttle at Tue Sep 5 12:17:35 2006 (0cBRS)

6 Hmmm, one wonders why most police unions, sheriffs and chiefs of police departments oppose such laws. Maybe it has to do with the fact that any dolt with 15 minutes to stand in line, but no real training, can get a concealed carry permit in 38 states. I simply don't trust that most people I've met who like to carry a gun have the judgement to use it correctly in the split second the would have to make a choice.

There was a case here in Florida, after the shoot first law was passed, where a man was shot for knocking on a door and asking a neighbor to take his trash cans away from the curb. Obviously a misuse of a firearm, but no legal action was possible because of the language of the "shoot first law" indemnifies the shooter from civil and crimminal consequences, no matter how stupid he was, as long as he can claim that he felt threatened. Yup, there's so great improvement in public safety...

Posted by: Sonny at Wed Sep 6 02:13:21 2006 (bLWQt)

7 Sonny, You are lost. You live in one of the drug / gang capitols of the US & your anti concealed carry / shoot first law, that makes alot of sense. Cops don't want law abiding, tax paying, responsible adults carrying concealed weapons because, they are for the most part, THUGS in Blue & if you have a gun then they have to do more work, like during a traffic stop asking if you are a permit holder or do have a legally concealed weapon on you, yep. the cops would prefer you be unarmed so they can rip you from your car and beat you, But if the people are packing, then the MAN, can't man handle you as easy. So, what i am trying to say is, the 2nd amendment was written by some very smart people, you know those guys that gave us freedom from the oppressive british rulers of the colonies.
" The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

That means all those anti gun laws on the books, are ILLEGAL. but yet, made into law.
The people can't carry guns, the police don't have the duty to protect you. But at the same time they say I am free. Free to what get gunned down by some guy on crack, while driving to the store for milk & while all this is happening, you know me, slumped over my steering wheel, bleeding everywhere & light my wallet & watch, where are the police ? Just getting the call that someone was shot in there car infront of the store..... But yet no should be able to carry a legally concealed weapon & no one should have the right to shoot someone who they feel is threatinging them.( shoot first law is a good thing )

Posted by: Bronson at Wed Sep 6 03:27:56 2006 (229RU)

8 "most police unions, sheriffs and chiefs of police departments oppose such laws"

I don't know any police union bosses, just lots of regular cops. They have no problem with law abiding citizens being armed.

Here in Jersey it's a pain in the ass even for the cops to buy a backup piece.

Posted by: NJSoldier at Wed Sep 6 03:29:08 2006 (x82LV)

9 Here in Wisconsin I only know a few cops that have no problem with the people carrying concealed legally, but then again we do have a concealed carry law yet, So we are at the mercy of the cops, which are never there to protect you when you need protecting. In november when our anti gun governor goes the way of the horse and buggy & we get a pro gun governor ( Mark Green ) then we will get a concealed carry law. They will again be attempting to pass it in January. Police chiefs here are way anti concealed carry a few have said that if such laws get passed, they will be ordering their officers to man handling & beat concealed carry permit holders during routine traffic stops. You would think that would be aggrivated assault correct.

Posted by: Bronson at Wed Sep 6 03:51:52 2006 (229RU)

10 ooops, We do not have a concealed carry law yet, in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Bronson at Wed Sep 6 03:53:42 2006 (229RU)

11 Hey, NJ SOLDIER, are you a Soprano's fan ? It's my #2 favorite show, # 1 is the Sheild.

Posted by: Bronson at Wed Sep 6 03:57:11 2006 (229RU)

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