May 30, 2005
Do I Understand This Correctly?
I don't know that I want to comment too extensively on the arrests of Rafiq Abdus Sabir and Tarik Shah on charges arrested on charges of conspiring to aid terrorists. I'd like to wait for a little more information to come out before forming an opinion.
But I am concerned about one paragraph I read in this article.
As recently as May 20, during a meeting at a New York City apartment, Sabir indicated he would travel shortly to Saudi Arabia to treat the wounds of jihadists at a Saudi military base, prosecutors said. Travel records showed he was scheduled to leave Thursday.
Now, was the whole "jihadists at a Saidi military base" just a ruse by the FBI to reel these guys in? Or are we being told, ever so obliquely, that the Saudis are providing medical care for wounded jihadis on their military bases? I guess what I'm really asking is if this should be seen as evidence of the Saudis playing both sides of the street.
Thoughts, comments, and reactions?
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There is no reason for any American to think that the Saudis share our interests, values, or goals with respect to the war on terror. The royal family goes through the motions of allied friendship while at the same time, pandering to the majority of its populace, spends a good sum of money supporting jihadists. State controlled news papers routinely print outrageous stories about America's decadence, and Jewish conspiracies to control the world. That 15 of the 19 highjackers came from Saudi Arabia is not a mere coincidence; giving aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States is not only a possibility, it is probable.
Posted by: Mustang at Mon May 30 03:20:10 2005 (nP7cz)
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Mustang is right. Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and there's been nothing done by the Saudis to indicate that they want more than US money and power. If we were going to invade another country post-9/11, Saudi Arabia would have been the logical choice. It's not gonna happen though. You know why.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 04:32:24 2005 (2h6qI)
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Agreed, Dolphin. The US is depending on the energy we get out of Saudi Arabia too much to stop whatever they have going for terror, and support for terrorists.
When it comes right down to it, Saudi Arabia is too powerful to be a target in the war on terror. Hell, they own the oil, and we need the oil. Economics trumping ideology yet again, IMHO.
~A!
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May 29, 2005
The Problem Of The EU Constitution
It appears that both France and the Netherlands will reject the proposed EU Constitution before the end of the current week. That would, one would imagine, kill the much maligned document. After all, those two countries are founding membrs of the EU, and represent large chunk out of a united Europe. The political leaders of Europe, though, are s
eeking to impose the document over the objections of the people.
There remains a remote chance that the people of France and the Netherlands will confound the opinion polls and endorse the constitution. But it is far more likely that, by the end of this week, two of the unionÂ’s founding members will have rejected the 474-page tome that was cobbled together after years of wrangling and which, our leaders would have us believe, paves the way for a more democratic and more accountable European Union.
However, it does not take a Eurosceptic to notice that at the first sign that their constitution might get thrown out, EuropeÂ’s politicians and bureaucrats take flight from democracy and seek refuge in the more comfortable world of inter-governmental negotiations. The constitution that is trumpeted as a triumph in democracy will not be allowed to suffer defeat at the hands of the people.
That is, of course, emblematic of the problem of the political Left in most parts of the world. So certain are they that their prescriptions for a better society are right and righteous, they will go to great lengths to implement their schemes over the objections of those that the plans allegedly benefit. Anything that stands in their way -- including the people themselves -- is simply dismissed as an obstacle to democracy. But let's be clear about one thing. Any further movement towards implementing the EU Constitution if either of the two countries ratifies it is a blow to real democracy.
What is the problem with the document? Why haven't people embraced it? I think this is the problem.
Above all, though, it is a document that few Europeans will actually read, even if they are determined to. And therein lies its central problem: a constitution, whose supporters claim will bring the institutions of Europe closer to its people, will forever be distant, unloved and largely unread
A 447 page document, written in legalese by lawyers and bureaucrats, will not gain the support of the people. The average European will never understand it. In short, it will not be a social contract. It will be the antithesis of the US Constitution.
Consider our Constitution. It is short, written in language that the average American can understand, and delineates functions and limits that the people embrace. That is what makes the government legitimate in the eyes of most Americans. We may disagree with the policies and practices of the government, but it is the Constitution that renders those things legitimate in our eyes.
Americans accept court decisions that they dislike when they are rendered in accord with that document and are rooted in it. It is only when the roots of a decision are not clearly and firmly planted in Constitutional soil that large segments of the people stand in opposition. That was the problem with Dred Scott, with Roe v. Wade, and with Lawrence v. Texas. That was the reason for the outcry over the recent Simmons case and its use of foreign law. It is the problem with the current cases moving towards a judicially created "right" to homosexual marriage. We Americans are familiar enough with our Constitution that we will not accept when it is transgressed.
What do the Europeans need to do to make an acceptable Constitution? Go back and make it shorter, less complex, and more accessible. Keep it simple and clear. Make it a document that the people of Europe can know and love. Only then will the people of Europe embrace it.
UPDATE -- France rejects the EU Constitution.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 23:09:16 2005 (V5cZa)
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On the contrary, Democracy is initself a "left" idea. Take for instance the "privatization" of Social Security. It's something that the vast majority of the American people oppose, yet the GOP is pushing forward with it. Terri Schiavo, the VAST majority of the population agreed that her husband had the right to make the decision, the GOP felt it was time to write a new law for one case. The Iraq war, plans were going ahead for that at a time when only 28% of the country supported it. The FMA, opposed by a majority of Americans, the GOP still attemptes to push it through. The list goes on.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 04:38:30 2005 (2h6qI)
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The European Union, now consisting of 25 members, has come a long way since its initial inception in the post-WWII era. Hundreds of treaties provide economic as well as ecological benefits to all member nations. With that said, I fail to see how a United States of Europe will contribute more to "union" than has already been achieved. Why should France or any other nation give up its cultural history and national identity? To become "more" European?
This issue is best left to Europeans; they are capable of deciding for themselves what is best. I hope they are looking at the long term issues more than the short term; how would the USE deal with the problem of immigration and the Islamification of Western Culture? Is the bureaucracy "too large" to be effective and responsive to the needs of member states? Could the train be slowed or stopped once it got going?
If I were French, I would have voted "contre" also. Indeed, we live in interesting times.
Posted by: Mustang at Mon May 30 06:32:41 2005 (nP7cz)
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What's a letter of marque? How about bill of attainder?
Otherwise, good post.
Posted by: Dave Schuler at Wed Sep 28 09:06:26 2005 (GGDE0)
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1) Essentially, it is a license to act as a privateer.
2) It is a law which declares an individual to be guilty of a crime without trial -- "tainting" them with guilt of a high crime such as treason. It was often related to the notion of "corruption of blood", which imposed punishment or legal disabilities upon future generations of the family.
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Ending The Schism Between East And West
Pope Benedict XVI, on his first trip away from Rome, has spoken about his desire to work for
reconciliation between Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
In his homily at a Mass that closed a national religious conference, Benedict referred to Bari as a "land of meeting and dialogue" with the Orthodox Church.
"I want to repeat my willingness to make it a fundamental commitment to work, with all my energy, toward reconstituting the full and visible unity of Christ's followers," he said to applause from the estimated 200,000 people at the Mass.
Benedict told worshippers words were not enough, and that even ordinary Catholics needed to make concrete gestures to reach out to Orthodox Christians.
"I also ask all of you to decisively take the path of spiritual ecumenism, which in prayer will open the door to the Holy Spirit who alone can create unity," he said.
There is much to work on for the split to heal, but there is significantly more in common between the two branches of Christianity than between the two ancient branches and Protestantism. May we see the breach healed in our lifetimes.
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Marx was absolutely correct, "Religion is the opiate of the masses", my only disagreement is that I think he used one too many of the letter "m".
Posted by: at Sun May 29 11:07:25 2005 (aHbua)
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A pity you lack the courage to leave any information about who you are -- strikes me as the sign of a coward.
And since you use the discreditted theories of Marx to support your position, I don't see how you can really expect to be taken seriously.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 29 11:21:31 2005 (/M+uy)
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Marx was spot-on in his assessment of peoples character, it is his economic theories that are discredited. Or are you really so stupid as to not be able to see the difference?. As to my information, I am rather sure your "readership" (all 8 of them) could easily recognize the style and tone of my comments, which only further proves the aforementioned educational deficiencies.
Posted by: at Sun May 29 18:50:48 2005 (aHbua)
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: at Sun May 29 23:09:50 2005 (V5cZa)
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Actually -- no he wasn't correct in his theories about people, since they were part and parcel of his economic theories.
But if you want to continue to take the proponent of the social, political, and economic equivalent of phrenology as your guide to life, go for it. Just remember that his ideas are the foundation for a system that was responsible for more deaths during the 20th century than any other.
And why don't you show a little integrity by identifying yourself?
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 01:55:04 2005 (XJvMc)
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Religion is the glue that binds many people to the light. The religious define that light as God, or Allah, or Gaea, or some other deity.
The truly good follow the light whether they believe there is a God or do not. Religion is not evil. Christianity is not evil in and of itself, and neither is Islam.
The evil lies with a certain select number of the practitioners. Does being a Muslim make someone evil? No. Does being Christian make someone evil? No.
Killing, causing suffering, and the theft of the property of another, these things are evil, regardless of whether the person who does them professes a religion or does not.
Truth, veracity, loyalty, courage, strength: These are not religious qualities. They are simply the lighter side of the human spirit. Whatever a person needs to do to attain those ideals they should, whether it means believing in God(s) or not.
And because someone chooses to believe in a God or Gods to attain that goal does not make them less. By the same token, we are not less who choose to do good and not subscribe to a religious belief.
~A!
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What The Court Fight Is All About
Columnist John Leo provides
one of the most insightful explanations of what is at stake in the current battle for the courts. I've tried to say this many times, and wish that I had put it as well.
Democrats try to frame their case by saying that Republicans are attacking the independence of the judiciary. Not true. They are attacking the process by which the policy preferences of the left are removed from the democratic process and written into the Constitution. The current moment may be the one historic opportunity that the Republicans will have to halt and reverse this severe damage to the courts. If they blow this chance out of timidity or bipartisan niceness, many of us will conclude that the GOP is not really a serious party entitled to our support.
The GOP is trying to save the judiciary -- really the entire American system. Will they have the intestinal fortitude to do it?
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 23:10:27 2005 (V5cZa)
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The vast majority of federal judges were appointed by GOP politicians. The GOP isn't trying to "save" the judiciary. They are trying to replace their own judges with new judges who will forgo the Constitution in order to pursue a GOP agenda. Priscella Owens proves this point better (or at least as well as) than any other.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 04:41:46 2005 (2h6qI)
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Strict constructionism is the opposite of what you describe Dolphin. They are reading it as it is stated and believe the Constitution was written to limit government.
Democrats tend to be loose constructionists, read it as they think it was *meant*, and believe that the Constitution was written to empower government.
Sorry, but the document is on our side.
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Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 1 08:41:05 2005 (lkCzp)
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Having actuallt been here in Texas where I have observed Owen for years, I can tell you that she follows the Constitution as written -- and statutes as well. I've disagreed with her interpretation at times, but that does not mean she is trying to substitutes something other than the Constitution in its place. Often times the issue of judicial review of laws and statutory/constitutional interpretation comes down to where the lines get drawn. It isn't activism until the decisions become unmoored from that which was intended by the authors/framers of the Constitution or a statute, and something else gets substituted in place of those intentions.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Jun 1 09:48:44 2005 (BP2Eg)
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Attack Of The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Left
I really don't mind if someone comes after me based upon something I have written. I put my thoughts, reflections, and analysis out into the blogosphere for anyone to read and comment upon. That means some will love what I say, some will hate it, and most will simply not take the time to comment at all.
Probably the only thing that bothers me (though not on a particularly deep level) is when someone makes an attack that is clearly dishonest. No, I don't mean Ridor's attempt to tar and feather me for not writing about something that I never read about in a little town somewhere in Texas. That sort of stuff is just pathetic, and is merely a part of his "charm".
No, I'm talking about when someone engages in hack-job editting to twist the meaning of my words into something other than what was clearly intended. You know, sort of like they do in movie ads, where "If you have the intellect of a golf ball, you'll love this film" becomes ". . . you'll love this film."
That leads me to the case at hand, involving a fellow who goes by the handle "dolphin".
more...
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Whats a real shame is whether or not someone is conservative or not this blog is instructive. The best blogs, (or articles) are ones that digress from my usual train of thought, but that make me look at something in a different way. Mr Dolphin lost out on an opportunity to see a Christian from a different perspective than his own loathing views. It's his loss. His intellectual dishonesty will cause no one to ever effect their perspective.
Posted by: Liberty at Sun May 29 13:29:48 2005 (3/F6g)
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I didn't actually realize that you were TPC. That said, I'm thankful to hear it, I was concerned that my posting policy wasn't clear enough if there were actually two people out there too dense to understand it.
I suppose if this comment sees the light of day, I will at least have had the chance to tell the truth about the incident.
When I post a comment about the post of another, I usually do not quote the entire post in full. I quote the specific sections of the post that I am commenting on and provide a link back to the original post. I do this with any post I make that is based on another's post. Lest anyone think that I take a quote out of context I link back to the original post. In otherwords, I make it IMPOSSIBLE for anything to be taken out of context. By providing a link I am essentially giving my readers the full unedited text of the post in question. That's what I did in this case, so when RWR says I didn't "let on that he said..." what he means is that I linked to every word of what he said so that there could be absolutely no confusion whatsoever. Every single reader I has had full access to every word you wrote.
It's worth noting that I agreed with RWR on the main point of his initial post and only disagreed with a small part of it. That's why I only quoted from the part I disagreed with. I didn't quote from any of the post that I agreed with because the part I agreed with wasn't the part I was commenting on.
RWR came to MY site and decided I didn't post enough. He reposted nearly his entire post in my comment section. Such a posting was ratehr redundant since I'd already provided a link to said content. Basically he just reposted word for word what I'd already posted, then declared that, by posting what was already there, he'd "torn apart" my "position." While I thought it was very rude and a horrible way to establish a healthy dialogue, I decided that though reposting an enitre blog post in the comments is looked down upon by my clearly posted posting policy, I'd let it slide since long comments and blog reposts are not explicitly prohibited either. Also, trying to be nice to what I thought was a new visitor to my site, I figured if he felt that he'd done himself some justice by restating what I'd already linked to, then I'd let him feel better about himself.
I left his reprint of what I'd already said and linked to up, and told him that if he felt better having that up that was fine and nothing in that content (since I'd already put it up to begin with) contradicted anything I'd said or my opinion of it.
What followed was a demand that I retract the entire post. No "suggestion" was made, I was told that I "needed" to retract the post a word that quite clearly means I had no other choice. Well, my friend, I DO have another choice. It's clearly stated, in no uncertain terms, in my posting policy that demands are not tolerated. In accordance with the posted policy, which RWR knew he was under when he made his comment, I deleted the post with an invitation for him to repost if he could do so without brekaing the posting policy.
It's an interesting reveltion that RWR is TPC. As TPC, RWR held the same belief that for some reason he was special and my posting policy didn't apply to him. I have said it before and I'll say it again. I could care less whether I agree with you or not, however my site is run by a set of rules and all who visit are informed of the rules (via a link posted at the top of the page so that no scrolling is necessary) and ALL who visit my site are bouund by the same set of rules. As TPC here was a time when RWR visited and contributed regularly to my site. It was rare that I agreed with him but you can visit today and see that, because he obeyed the posting policy, all of his comments remain intact from that time period.
I'll not engage in childish cross-blog bickering. I've stated my case politely and hopefully RWR will see fit to let it stand. It's the price I pay for being mature and consistent in my blog management and protocol I will always tick people off who think it's my responsibility to provide them a platform to behave however they choose and will often not get to respond to those who attack me because they hemselves are incapable of abiding by someone else's rules when they visit that person's property.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 13:39:04 2005 (ap5O2)
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Liberty: To be clear I have many Christian friends. I do not hate Christians. I was a Christian. My parents are Christians, probably 99% of my friends are Christians. I've never heard one of them even discuss leaving a path of death and destruction. That's why the comment disturbed me. It's not a matter of it being a threat or think he's actually gonna do it. It's a matter of it being the first time I've heard a christian even mentioning it. For most true christians, it's somethign that's so far out of the realm of possibility that to even think of it would not be somethign they would do. As for my "intellectual dishonesty" remember you are only hearing the side of a story of a child who didn't get his way. Since he provided a link, I would suggest that you visit my site and see that I did provide a link back to his exact words. I don't know how I can be anymore intellectually honest that offering direct access to his own words. Were I to repost his entire post as he seems to think I should have to do I'd fill up my webspace in a hurry. I will continue the practice of quoting specifically what I am commenting on and providing a link to the source (much the same as RWR does throughout his site). If that's intellectually dishonest, then so be it but I can't possibly see how its dishonest to refer to a post someone else wrote with their on words!!!
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 13:47:58 2005 (ap5O2)
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Unlike you, I don't delete folks who disagree with me.
I also don't lie about them.
My comment was a statement of my judgement and clearly a suggestion, not a demand. That you cannot tell the difference is a sign of your lack of intellectual ability, not any problem of mine. My earlier comment had posted my two complete paragraphs -- not just the ecxcerpts you posted, and explained how the context made clear that your goal was to misrepresent the whole of my point.
And frankly, your deletion of non-abusive posts that dare to contradict you is evidence of your own lack of maturity, not a mature attitude and consistent posting policy. In my experience, you have neither, despite your claims.
Oh, and by the way, I don't believe I had been back to your site since I de-linked you back at Precinct 333, back in March. I went there only when you showed up around here making trouble and slinging insults, and generally behaving like the troll that you are when you leave your own little site.
And interestingly enough, I found myself the topic of your rantings. Yeah, you linked to my site, but not to the actual post, so it was unlikely my actual words would have been found -- or that I would ever know of your scurrilous act of defamation. It is simply one more example of your lack of maturity and honesty.
Hopefully you will some day grow up and be a man, little boy. You sure are not there yet.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 29 14:03:14 2005 (/M+uy)
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You never said I was making a threat? Good Lord, boy, you said the following.
This particular writer did provide a weak attempt at disclaiming his intentions, following his threat with:
But I know that is Satan -- and my own sinful
nature -- talking.
I found the disclaimer to be rather weak. The very fact that he wrote the initial threat in teh first place indicates that it is something he's thinking about, and a short little disclaimer does littel to ease my alarm
The word "threat" is yours, and yet you claim that you never said I was making a threat. I think everyone can see what your word was worth, you lying little pup..
And by the way, I didn't say you needed to duplicate the entire post. I said that you were taking the words out of context, and that quoting the complete sentence would make it clear I was drawing a parallel. I furthermore pointed out that you ignored the entire next paragraph (which your lies here make clear was intentional) so as to make it appear that my denunciation of violence was insincere. Your deletion of my comments makes it impossible to verify that, but I think you've already demonstrated that you are a bald-faced liar.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 29 14:17:55 2005 (/M+uy)
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I'll correct the link, I thoguht I hit the permalink, if the post doesn't link to the specific post and you're not just lieing about it.
Now I don't expect you to be mature enough not to be insulting, but as for me deleting "non-abusive posts that dare contradict" me there are at least three such posts on the FRONT page of my site, and many more including your own through out the archives. I'm consistent with my posting policy, you just don't seem to think it applies to you. Your cliaming otherwise truly makes you the dishonest one. Dare to back your statement by doing what many others have done and leaving polite but dissenting comments (like you used to). Dissenting comments are not, have never been, and will never be deleted.
Finally, there would be no problem at all with this post if I was a striaght conservative "christian." The ONLY reason you have any problem with this post at all is because I'm a gay liberal diest. You said yourself that it was a disturbing thought. NOBODY jumped down your throat for calling it a disturbing post, yet when I, a gay liberal diest, refer to it as such, I become a monster for even suggesting that death and dustruction might be a bad thing.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 17:39:42 2005 (UIVSD)
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One other thing. Howcome anytime any body disagrees with you (or in this case AGREES with you) you call them an "anti-christian bigot"?
Is it so hard to believe that I might possibly disagree (or agian, in this case, AGREE with you opinion) without having some hatred for Christians, a group who makes up the vast majority of my friends and family). Are you so desperate to be a matyr that you can't possibly stand the thought that maybe just maybe, when I say that you are right when you say that death and destruction at the hands of the religious right is quite a disturbing thought, I'm not saying it out of some hatred for christians??
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 19:12:02 2005 (UIVSD)
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No, my position has nothing to do with your sexual orientation or your religious beliefs. They are irrelevant to me.
They do have something to do with you being a liberal -- in that contemporary liberalism (as opposed to classical liberalism, which is today called conservatism) tends to be quite anti-Christian.
You clearly excerpted my words in a manner that twisted them to counter my own condemnation of religious violence. You objected to me recontextualizing them. You objected to me observing and suggesting that a retraction was appropriate. And now you continue to lie over here.
And guess what -- I won't delete you or ban you. I'll just let you continue to show yourself to be an ass. After all, you are rather proving my point for me.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 01:16:24 2005 (XJvMc)
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I can only assume it's because I'm gay because I can't figure out any other reason you would have developed this personal vendetta against me, a person whom you've never even met.
You are a hateful bigot willing to go after any fag who dares contradict you. I made a post in full agreement with your own and you have in turn bashed me into the ground and I don't even know why! Since I have done nothing to you and my post argued AGREEMENT with you. My post was not libel, my post did not misrepresent you (though your post certinaly did me), my post actually agreed with what you yourself had stated. You are so blinded by your extreme hatred that you went off and attacked, libeled, and lied about me in response to a post I made that agreed with your point of view, compliemented you, and sent visitors your way.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 03:56:40 2005 (2h6qI)
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Oh and about the comment spamming. Check the IP. Not me, I was asleep when they were posted, kinda makes you wonder where they came from. It couldn't be from the guy who has a personal vendetta against me and is out to make me look bad....
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 04:05:54 2005 (2h6qI)
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Actually, it is clear from your conduct that you don't "think" my disagreement is because of your sexuality -- you "emote" that it is.
And no, you didn't compliment me or in any other way agree with me in regards to the part you cited -- you indicated that I was making threats and made it clear that you believe that the statement was a sincere threat.
Granted, you have now revised the post to remove that language (good thing I preserved it here), but even that move was duplicitous -- you nowhere note the radical revision of the post, and call me a crazy. So much for honesty.
By the way, if the term "little boy" gets your panties in a twist, might I suggest that you are more than a little bit over-sensitive, given your tendency to sling harsher words here.
Oh, and I didn't spam my own site -- here is the IP address it all came from, along with every other dolphin IP address that has shown up in my comments.
4.248.38.204
(NON-SPAM IP ADDYS REMOVED IN SHOW OF GOOD FAITH)
I've not been able to run them to ground -- but it seems to me that you post from a number of different IPs, including some that are similar to the one that was the source of the comment spam. So unless you have a lot of folks out there impersonating you. . .
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 05:13:55 2005 (GeT7T)
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Thanks for posting my IP address for all to see. Perhaps I'll return the favor and put your email adress on a number of mailing lists. No, I'm bigger than that, bigger than you. All I can say is that I didn't comment spam you. If I were to do it you'd never know it was me. I'm a web deisgner, I know my way around the internet.
My post was in fact an agreement with you. You said that the following thought was "disturbing." I agreed that the thought was disturbing. Yes I even complimented you. When I said "hearing it from someone who I suspect is more representative of the religious right is particularly disturbing" you SHOULD have considered that a compliment. Granted it's a weak one but what I was saying was that you probably aren't out bombing abortion clinics and gay clubs each night (though I admit that I don't know you and shouldn't necessarily have made that assumption).
While I can only care so much about somebody I don't know, it is mildly upseting that someone who doesn't know me or anything about me has taken up such a hatred of me. I would love to know what happened during the time between your original visits for my blog as Texas Teacher, when I enjoyed your contributions and point of view, to now when you only stop by to spew filth and troll my comments. I'm curious if maybe some gay person did somethign to you that so amplified you hatred of gay people?? If that's the case I feel compelled to remind you that you had a bad experience with ONE person, and I had nothing to do with it. Please don't take it out on me.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 05:32:22 2005 (2h6qI)
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dolphin, what you haven't done was to acknowledge the purposeful twisting of RWR's context. I knew exactly what he meant. Why should readers believe you if you cannot be that forthcoming?
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Because mcconnell, I don't think I twisted his context. I think I said exactly what he said. I only quoted the main paragraph because that was the only part I was discussing. I provided a link back so if anybody wanted to know what RWR's personal intentions were, they could. What I was concerned about wasn't his personal intentions but rather the abstract thought of the religious right commiting violence on a large scale.
Had I left his name out altogether and just said, "this thought randomly occured to me and I have concerns about the increasing amount of violence coming from the religious right" would it have made anything diferent. I would have done that if I'd have knon that crediting him for the post idea was gonna bring about his wrath. I honestly didn't realize that he would be so upset that I agreed with him on a topic and decided to make a post on the topic. It's fairly typical in the blog world to credit another blog if they give you an idea for a post. All he has to do is ask and I'll never give him credit for anything again.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 06:22:36 2005 (2h6qI)
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Spare me the dime store psychology -- my problem is with you, and you alone.
And go back and read the original post that you made -- you know, the one that I preserved on my site before you changed it on yours. The one in which you accuse me of making a threat of violence.. The one in which you indicate that you believe my words indicative of the desire of those of us on the Right who believe in Jesus to engage in violence to impose a theocracy. Yeah, that sure sounds like a post indicating agreement to me. Even your comment on my site, after agreeing with me on the case at hand and making subtle accusations at those of us who hadn't posted on another case, ended with the following:
I am troubled by the call to violence offered in this post (despite a weak attempt to retract it). This is what we need to fear my friends. What these nutcases can't accomplish with legislation they WILL accomplish with violence.
Like I said, clearly you are twisting the hypothetical used to make a comparison into an actual call to violence -- and accusing me of making one. Like I've said all along, your purpose is clear.
After you got caught, after you got exposed, you changed what you wrote to make it more conciliatory. Maybe that is your retraction? Maybe that is your admission of error, if not outright lying? Why not come out and say that, instead of going to great lengths to obscure your original words and deny your original intent?
Now I find it very difficult to believe that someone would show up on my site and make those posts in your name. Could it have happened? Yeah, I suppose it could have -- I suppose someone who knows their way around the internet, perhaps a web designer, might have popped up and done exactly that. It does seem far-fetched that someone would do that, though. But if that IS what happened, you have my apology -- and as a show of good faith, I will remove all the addresses except for the one which was the source of the spam.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 09:23:57 2005 (mMt0P)
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Why do I even bother?
I WAS NOT claiming that YOU personally were making a call for violence!!!! I specifically refered to the nuts on the right and the religous right as the source of increasing violence. If you are suggesting that you are such a nut than that's your interpretation and self-view, however I was speaking of a much wider population. Get over yourself already, it's not all about you! Read my post:
"This is the theocracy we on the left are so terrified of. What these
right-wingers can't accomplish with legislation
they WILL accomplish with violence. Check out stats on hate-crimes and abortion clinic bombings. They are on the rise. As these
people see a theocratic nation in which
their particular brand of Christianity is forced upon all others begin to form, it's inevitable that
they will try to speed up the process. The result will be violence. We need but look overseas to the Muslim theocracies to see that violent oppression is necessary to make such a theocracy work."
Geez I must be a horrible writer to have used all those plural pronouns when I was (apparently, though I wasn't aware of it) talking very specifically about YOU.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 09:51:33 2005 (2h6qI)
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And having just quoted my words, your words clearly include me. Don't you see that?
Think about it -- you've just made reference to a post on my site and proceed to argue that "these right-wingers" are going to do thus and such. Clearly, that acusation includes me.
And when you then talk about the weakness of my disclaimer following my "threat", is it any wonder that your post is unable to be interpreted as not referring to me -- as exemplified by the commenter who thinks the FBI needs to be contacted about what I wrote? It isn't just me, and it isn't just the other site (a liberal one) that picked up on my post about yours. If you were truly intending what you wrote to not include me, your use of plural pronouns didn't do it.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 10:04:57 2005 (0KvOF)
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So now I'm responsible for the views of my commentors?
I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my post, however that doesn't change the fact that I am right, there are factions on the right who want the very same thing that you mentioned disturbs both you and I.
If you doubt me, do a google search on such groups as The Army of God," "Christian Voice," "Christian Patriots" and those are just three I can think of off the top of my head.
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 10:35:48 2005 (dZMbY)
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I'm pointing out that your words were sloppy and unclear enough that it isn't just me who sees this as an accusation against me. Can you concede as much?
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 12:27:13 2005 (lzU4i)
Posted by: dolphin at Mon May 30 12:41:13 2005 (dZMbY)
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Well, it did indeed seem to be an attack on RWR specifically. I've seen numerous times across many different mediums where this exact technique was used to insult someone specifically, making them the representative for an entire group.
Dolphin, you made a mistake. Could happen to anyone. RWR, though I quite adamantly disagree with him on almost every issue, has the stronger case. You editing your post like you did and not putting any attribution as to why in it advances his case and weakens yours.
Let it go, apologize, and truly be the bigger man you claim to be.
You don't fight fire with fire, Dolphin. That just makes for a larger blaze.
~A!
Posted by: ~A! at Mon May 30 15:33:14 2005 (zjq8s)
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Snapping a line to make fun of me?
All the more reasons not to respond to your site.
R-
Posted by: Ridor in DC at Mon May 30 22:37:26 2005 (q0BAD)
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Hardly, ridor -- simply acknowledging that you are intentionally provocative, and that it is understood to be part of your style.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue May 31 00:05:17 2005 (QvhDw)
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Sorry Dolphin, but I've got to agree with RWR here. Your removed verbiage of his that took away from the tone of what you were trying to put forth, and did so deliberately to make it seem as if he and people like him were violent and willing to be violent to get their way.
I find this happens quite often with neo-liberals. They believe it's OK to lie, so long as the intended goal is perceived as good.
Hello Newsweek.
Posted by: Subjugator at Tue May 31 04:14:11 2005 (lkCzp)
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Fortunately nobody asked you Subjugator.
You definately have made it clear in your post that had I been a conservative you'd have had no problem with my post.
I will make you the same deal I'm wiling to make anybody. All someone has to do is ask and I'll give them the chance to prove me a liar. In my post I indicated that though RWR and I were both disturbed by the statement, there are infact groups in this country who are NOT disturbed by it and are actually pursuing it. If you honestly think that these groups do not exist I will be happy to provide you a list and then you can sit there and tell me why each group is a figment of my imagination, therefore proving me a liar. However, b careful when you make this deal because if I can find even one militant christian group out there, you'll be the liar.
Posted by: dolphin at Tue May 31 04:39:03 2005 (2h6qI)
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Quite so, Subjugator. I agree. I've experienced the same thing on my blogsite.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 31 04:39:07 2005 (UMLNq)
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Subjugator, the reasons the Liberals reacted is because the Conservatives and Christians kept on bashing them for years to a point where they got fed up with their antics and retaliated. They wanted it to be a slugfest. So be it.
R-
Posted by: Ridor in DC at Tue May 31 07:11:31 2005 (q0BAD)
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Psstt..."all the more reasons not to respond to your site" is getting reallll thin.
As for bashing, so the end justifies the means by lying in order to get the desired results? And play the professional victim?
So, nothing else is new on how Liberals think.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 31 08:04:58 2005 (LmcbS)
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No the end does not justify the means at all. That's why the GOP can get their message out so well. They aren't hindered by making sure everythign is factual!! I completely object to any liberal lying. That said, if someone plans to call ME a liar based on this post on the existence of militant christian groups, I again extend an invitation to them to prove me wrong. There you go, put up or shut up.
Posted by: dolphin at Tue May 31 08:30:49 2005 (2h6qI)
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Acknowledging facts are better than ignoring them and lying about them in order to subvert the whole process for personal gains. N'est ce pas?
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 31 10:07:12 2005 (LmcbS)
Posted by: dolphin at Tue May 31 11:35:21 2005 (SVh3K)
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Except that, while you may have intended to comment on extremist groups (which undeniably exist on both sides of the spectrum), it isn't what you actually did.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue May 31 17:40:07 2005 (OsZyu)
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Which comes to the point that Dolphin hasn't yet acknowledged the point of contention on RWR's part when his comment was taken out of context. This is what RWR's saying?
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 31 18:53:52 2005 (UMLNq)
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Dolphin - you were intellectually dishonest. You can paint it with whatever illogic you want, but that doesn't make it truth.
Also, by my own standards, I *AM* a liberal. I stand for liberty. I cannot stand our government as it is and think that Republicans and Democrats are carbon copies of each other (i.e. not EXACT duplicates, but close enough as to make very little difference). I am a capitalistic minarchist, which puts me pretty close to Libertarianism (though I disagree with them on some points and find Lockean philosophy to be degenerate because it works out to communism with overpopulation).
Anyway - my disagreement is not resulting from your position. Had you simply said that you fear abortion bombers, psycho militant groups, and other idiots with half a brain and a dozen vendettas and you HADN'T colored RWR as something he isn't, I would have readily agreed with you.
I find the wrongful use of force to be abhorrent.
It's just that I find intellectual dishonesty similarly abhorrent.
As for the rest: Bill Clinton (and through him, the Democrats) earned what he (they) got. For the common American Bill Clinton was a failure not because of his philandering, lies, and other terrible behavior, but because they made him less effective in accomplishing what he sought to do. While I loathe most of what he sought to do (on a governmental, not personal basis), the average American did not...and he could have accomplished considerably more had he not been the opportunistic womanizing liar that he is.
The Republicans had Nixon, the Democrats had Clinton...and the Libertarians and other side parties...well...we/they have the many loonies that join our parties.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 1 02:36:48 2005 (lkCzp)
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OK, I've had enough.
Please feel free to continue to bash me if it makes you feel better about yourself. If you want to stop bashing mindlessly and actually prove that what you're saying has even the slightest bit of value at all, the invitation I extended earlier still stands. As I said, put up or shut up. Bashing me doesn't prove your point. YOu want to prove your point, I've given you the option. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 1 05:12:22 2005 (2h6qI)
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So where did I bash you in the last post? I said you were intellectually dishonest. That describes behavior and is not a personal attack against you, but against an idea you expressed.
You presented half of what someone said, left out pertinent parts that indicated the person loathed what was described, and then claimed that your intent was not to do such.
Let me present a similar situation (that never actually happened):
LibDem said:
Republicans keep cutting away at our freedoms of speech and religion! I'm starting to think that we should cut back further on free speech! Cut back on free speech and make it illegal to be a Republican! Jail them and never let them out! Tax them into oblivion!
Of course, the fact that I treasure free speech means I would never really support such an idea. Even if Republicans hold despicable ideas and ignore people who need help, they still have a right to their opinions, and as much as I disagree with them, a foundation of my beliefs (and those of all freedom loving individuals) is that even people who disagree with me have the right to believe, vote, and say what they wish.
I may not like them, but I'll fight *hard* for their right to think, vote, and speak as they wish.
Then...LeansRight got ahold of the quote, and he said this:
Quoth LibDem: "Republicans keep cutting away at our freedoms of speech and religion! I'm starting to think that we should cut back further on free speech! Cut back on free speech and make it illegal to be a Republican! Jail them and never let them out! Tax them into oblivion!"
Democrats scare me, because they say stuff like this on a regular basis. They advocate the restriction of freedoms for anyone that disagrees with them. Here's a link to the rest of the stuff this guy had to say, but I have to say, I'm always concerned with people that say stuff like this.
See what I'm saying? As far as I can tell, that's what you did. If you try and tell me that doesn't try and paint a picture about the original poster, you're lying to my face.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 1 08:57:50 2005 (lkCzp)
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You presented half of what someone said, left out pertinent parts that indicated the person loathed what was described
Wow. Well I guess if the facts don't back your assertions you just make up new facts. I actually specifically indicated that RWR was disturbed by what was described, however Not everyone on the right is, and that is extremely scary to me.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 1 09:10:57 2005 (2h6qI)
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Oh, that's right, I'm violating "Dolphin's Law" -- Any criticism of Dolphin or his actions is bashing, and most likely based upon an aversion to his sexual preference.
My comment was not bashing. I actually extended an olive branch by saying you may have intended to exclude me from your generalization, but did not in fact do so in a manner that was understood by anyone but for you. I was engaged in a little diplomacy there, dude, and your response was a post which would have been immediately deleted if posted on your site as a violation of your posting policy (actually, everything you have posted on my site since about Friday would have been deleted under your policy).
And by the way, I don't accept your invitation -- I already tried to politely dispute you without hurling insults. Those posts werre deleted. I don't feel a need to waste my time doing again what I did on your site once and have done very effectively here.
And Dolphin, you accused me of making threats, and said you were not reassured by my "weak" disclaimer. That makes it clear that you were never really intending to exclude me. Later on, you went back and re-wrote your post in an attempt to hide your original mistake, and have acted as if your original words were never written. That is not the course of action of a completely innocent party who was accidentally unclear.
And by the way -- that you have both Left & Right offering the same criticism of you should cause you to consider that you were wrong.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Wed Jun 1 10:02:36 2005 (BP2Eg)
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It all begins with a simple acknowledgement. How hard is that, Dolphin? And, no, this isn't bashing.
Posted by: mcconnell at Wed Jun 1 11:32:30 2005 (LmcbS)
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The thing that is perhaps most amazing to me is that you seem to actually believe that what you are saying is true.
Let's take some snippets:
I'm frequently disturbed by things I see on right-wing blogs...
Thus far, it's pretty typical stuff.
...even if he has to make up, or leave out, a few facts to make it work...
[ed. note: ironic that]
This statement is what disturbs me...(followed by an inflammatory quote)...
This particular writer did provide a *WEAK* (emphasis mine) attempt at disclaiming his intentions, following *HIS* *THREAT* (emphasis for both, again, is mine)...
Then you have a minimized quote that in its original context decries the original statement and that even exceeds the inflammatory remark in length and depth of consideration. Too bad you only included twelve of the ninety-four words that he wrote that spoke against violence.
So - he used fifty-seven words expressing anger, and he used ninety-four decrying the violence that the anger brings up in his mind, and you say his disclaimer to be weak? Also - when challenged on your choice of words, you say WE are the ones wronging YOU?
YOU made it sound as if his ENTIRE disclaimer was 'But I know that is Satan -- and my own sinful nature -- talking.'
Sorry dude, but you are objectively and totally in the wrong. Like many liberals you refuse to admit it. After all, a liberal can stand any idea except one that contradicts his worldview.
Interestingly, it is LIBERALS who grow violent when confronted with conflicting ideas. The group ProtestWarrior goes to liberal protests to express conservative views - guess what...the liberals...the "free thinkers"...the people who want "balance" and "new ideas" PHYSICALLY ATTACK the ProtestWarriors. It's on video...the reasons and the people starting the violence is always the same...liberals get mad because someone dares to disagree with them in a public forum.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Wed Jun 1 13:34:26 2005 (r/FBF)
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That's right Sub, it's all the liberals, there's never been a conservative in the history of time to ever get violent. Wow, I think I'll stand clear next time this guy talks about dishonesty. I wouldn't want to get struck by the giant lightening bolt that will come streaking down.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 1 16:32:10 2005 (MIt/1)
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Oh and for the record. I wasn't talking about you bashing RWR. I was refering to mcconnel and (mainly) Subjucator who have (in typical angry neo-con fashion) used this as an opportunity to attack all liberals.
And I reject the notion that everything I've posted here since Friday would have violated my site's posting policy. Anything I have said that wouldn't have stood on my site has been in response to someone else attacking me. and I'm curious as to waht you think I would find so offensive about, for instance, the comment under "Do I Understand This Correctly" that I posted just yesterday?
Posted by: at Wed Jun 1 16:38:47 2005 (MIt/1)
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^^^^^^ That was me if it wasn't clear.
Posted by: dolphin at Wed Jun 1 16:39:49 2005 (MIt/1)
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Nothing -- I overlooked it when I made that comment.
Mea culpa. mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu Jun 2 01:55:17 2005 (kLTBe)
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when I say "Liberal" it is those who are more left than the usual moderate Democrat who usually have the modicum and sincerity to acknowledge things and some common sense. For example, Dean is a Liberal. No, let me take that back. Sorry. I sincerely apologize. Dean is a socialist.
Name a Liberal that have condemned terrorist attacks (and not call them "insurgents" a la Michael Moore style of identifying them as "freedom" fighters) in Iraq with their suicide bombs.
Maybe then I'll be quiet.
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu Jun 2 04:00:18 2005 (qzj0i)
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I think you might be surprised about what you'd find out about the 8 time NRA-endorsed Dean if you looked beyond the soundbytes and talking points that you've been issued by the GOP, but I'm no "Deaniac" so we won't bother to have that conversation.
As for a liberal for a liberal who condemns terrorism, including that going on in Iraq, how about myself.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 2 04:54:53 2005 (2h6qI)
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Dean gave Osama a pass with the "innocent til proven guilty" while he went ahead charged Delay with "guilty til proven innocent." Says volumes about Dean's thinking on terrorists.
You condemn terrorism? Ok. So, you support President Bush, then, on the war against terrorism.
Ok, name a >>well known
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu Jun 2 05:16:51 2005 (LmcbS)
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got cut off somehow...
name a well known Liberal who expressedly and publicly condemned terrorists attacks, including suicides and called them "terrorists" and not "insurgents."
I guess that means you support Israel in building a wall to stave off suicide attacks?
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu Jun 2 05:19:08 2005 (LmcbS)
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Dolphin - I am a liberal. I don't blame liberals for all the woes of the world, but as a group, the more radical liberals have earned my contempt. They are intellectually dishonest for so long about so many things that I must now look at everything they say with a jaundiced eye.
Here is a short list of the things about which liberals are intellectually dishonest:
Global warming (theory, not proven)
Gun violence (statistics)
Gun control (statistics)
Violence against women (statistics)
Sexual discrimination (statistics)
Racial discrimination (statistics)
Sexual harassment (statistics)
Gun control (efficacy)
Second amendment (what it means)
News in general (the titanic slant)
Evolution (theory - never been proven as fact)
Abortion (pro-life does NOT mean anti-choice)
The 2000 elections (Bush did NOT steal it, the Florida State Supreme Court was absolutely full of manure...they overstepped their bounds and stomped on Executive purview that had been granted to the Executive by the state Legislative branch)
The 2004 elections (this one wasn't stolen either)
...and so on and so forth...
Conservatives are also intellectually dishonest about things, but they are not such about as many things or as often. Examples of this include:
Abortion (pro-choice does NOT mean anti-life)
Marriage - (NOT a government institution, therefore none of their business who marries who)
Both sides are full of it...but the Democrats seem to be full of more of it and with more variety.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 2 06:44:01 2005 (lkCzp)
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Actually, in all fairness I believe Joe Lieberman has stood tall next to President Bush in the War on Terror.
I realize he may be perceived to have a vested interest in the success thereof, but I'm putting my money on the fact that he knows what terrorism can do to a country, and he does not want to see it happen to this one. I may disagree with him on many issues, but I believe him to be a patriot who truly wants what's good for America.
That said, I also think he's fulla caca about a lot of things. The fact that he has good intent doesn't count for everything for me.
Sub
Posted by: Subjugator at Thu Jun 2 07:22:10 2005 (lkCzp)
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Sub, you're not a liberal, and you're also not worth my time therefore I'll be ignoring you from now on.
Mcconnel,
Opposing terrorism doesn't mean that I support George W. Bush. Typical neo-con response. Nobody can possibly disagree with you without being an unpatriotic, anti-american, terrorist supporter. I'll not engage in such nonsense talk.
I disagree with you on many issues, I'm sure. For starters I disagree that we are any safer from terrorism by turning Iraq into a terrorist breeding grounds (as confirmed by independent and military reports) in the name of some mythical "War on Terra". Despite these disagreements, i do not claim you are more or less American than I, nor that you support terrorism. I believe you honestly think that your views are for what's best for this country. It's a pity that you (and so many on the right) are unable to acknowlege the same about me.
I'll not engage in further debate so long as you continue to believe that dissent is treason. This is a democracy and we should be able to hold different views about the way things should be done while acknowleging that we both want what's best for this country,
our country.
Posted by: dolphin at Thu Jun 2 07:34:54 2005 (2h6qI)
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Helping the other side to win by whatever means necessary by skewing the picture just so they can score points against the other party (e.g. abu ghraib, newsweek, insurgents, "freedom fighters", etc) is not a sign of patriotism.
You SHOW ME a well known Liberal that doesn't do this who would rather err on supporting the troops than to malign the whole friggin Army with slurs and innuendos saying Abu Ghraib is worst than the publicized beheadings giving the otherside a morale boost! And I'll back off.
The thing is, like Subjugator said, we don't need intellectual dishonesty. Acknowledgements can be traded back and forth between parties instead of resorting to intellectual dishonesty just to score points.
I like Leibermann. A moderate. And Dean? Well he just screams like a banshee. No wonder the DNC isn't getting any money.
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu Jun 2 08:02:44 2005 (LmcbS)
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What's the matter Dolphin - when I list the things that are traditional lies the liberals tell, do your feelings get hurt?
Bring up something the Republicans have lied about and I'll almost certainly agree with you. I hate dishonesty. There are some things I don't believe to be lies that Democrats HAVE called lies. WMDs are a good example - for one thing, they HAVE been found (though not in huge quantities), and for another, even if NONE were found he didn't like, he was WRONG. There's a big difference.
So come on - admit that global warming is an unproven theory. Admit that being pro-life does not mean one is anti-choice. Admit that murder rates DROP when states move to 'shall issue' statutes for permits to carry guns. Admit that when similar sacrifices are made, the glass ceiling is MUCH higher than is normally described (like say, when women sacrifice personal life, ignore their families, and otherwise act the way hyper-successful men do - their salaries are in the realm of four cents an hour different and not the 20-40 cents per hour so frequently described).
Admit these things...go on, it'll work...
Sub
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May 28, 2005
Half-Truth Harry Breaks Filibuster Deal
There is no need for any Republican to feel bound by the shameful bargain made last Monday to prevent use of the Constitutional Option to break the judicial filibuster. Harry Reid broke it Monday night
In the privacy of his Capitol office last Monday night, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., asked for commitments from six Democrats fresh from the talks. Would they pledge to support filibusters against Brett Kavanaugh and William Haynes, two nominees not specifically covered by the pact with Republicans?
Some of the Democrats agreed. At least one, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, declined.
Details of Reid's attempt to kill the two nominations within minutes of the agreement, as well as other events during this tumultuous time, were obtained by The Associated Press in interviews with senators and aides in both parties. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing confidentiality pledges.
The conversation in Reid's office was among the final acts of a drama that played out unpredictably over several weeks. It culminated in a deal that cleared the way for votes on some nominees long blocked by Democrats, left other nominees in limbo and averted a bruising fight over the Senate's filibuster rules.
Now let's look at this. Reid exacted commitments from some of the Democrats who signed on to filibuster certain judges. That goes against the "extraordinary circumstances" pledge, as well as the "own discretion and judgement" provision. That goes against the clear understanding that had been reached.
The deal is therefore dead -- and when Half-Truth Harry got several of the Democrat signatories to break it Monday night.
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I'll have to read the agreement again. I missed the part that required the democrats to rubberstamp everyone Bush nominated.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 05:40:52 2005 (bTR97)
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I cited the relevant points -- individual decisions and "extraordinary" circumstances.
Several of the Senators have knuckled under to Reid's demand for conformity to the position of the Senate Democrat leadership, and there is nothing extraordinary about any of the two nominees in question -- both are mainstream legal scholars, and both meet with the approval of the ABA, which the Democrats in the Senate once said was the Gold Standard by which a nominee should be judged.
A filibuster of either constitutes a violation of the agreement.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 29 07:14:11 2005 (mRNmZ)
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If the ABA is such a "gold standard" why the hell was Nancy Grace never disbarred, before she became a shrill talking head on CNN Headline News? The ABA like any other supposed "professional" association is only concerned with protecting their membership, often at the expense of actual justice.
Any one judged "qualified" by the ABA should probably be looked on as suspect, but then again with most americans being too stupid for description, no wonder the approval of the ABA is "gold".
Posted by: at Sun May 29 20:18:30 2005 (aHbua)
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 23:11:12 2005 (V5cZa)
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As for the issue of the ABA endorsement being the gold standard for judicial nominees, I refer you back to the words of a couple of prominent Democrats back when the Administration was planning on cutting the ABA out of the vetting process. And my source is one you should find acceptable as well -- Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., from his own website. You can't get much more Democrat than that. I've been unable to track down the text of the letter in question -- but I doubt you would consider Rep. Jackson a shill for the Bush White House. I've also got an article from leftist periodical you would recognize as legitimate, which while it doesn't contain the "gold standard" quote does indicate that ABA approval means that a judge has met an "acceptably high standard."
http://www.jessejacksonjr.org/query/creadpr.cgi?id=%22002914%22
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/politics/17JUDG.html?ex=1117598400&en=d4d58bec84d902b6&ei=5070&pagewanted=all
I can think of a couple of reasons why the ABA hasn't disbarred Nancy Grace -- the main one being that it is not the ABA's job to do so. Rather, it is the job of the respective state licensing authorities to do so, IF such action is warranted.
As far as Ms. Grace is concerned, I don't know enough about her to know if there is a cause for disbarring her -- I consider her to be a shrill and annoying polemicist whose appearance on my screen is sufficient to make me reach for the remote control.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 30 01:38:34 2005 (XJvMc)
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First I do not consider Jesse Jackson represenative of anything, but his own greed, and lust for power.
Second you're correct about the ABA, I guess I wasn't clear enough in wondering why the ABA didn't reccomend Grace for disbarment (which they can do) to the Georgia Bar. This battle over judges is nothing more than a continuation of the right's wish to totally dismantle the social safety-net set up by FDR. Apparently many "centerist" democrats are aboard for the ride as well. You would do well to read more of Molly Ivins/Lou Dubose, and a whole lot less of Limbaugh, O'Rielley, Coulter and Hannity.
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Well, given that I don't read Limbaugh, O'Reilly, or Hannity, it would be difficult to reduce my intake. As for Coulter, I read her from time to time, but find her shrill and off-putting, even when she is correct.
As for Molly Ivins, I can only read her crap when I am as drunk as she is -- and since my wife and I both gave up drinking after she became ill several years ago (she because of potentially fatal interaction with her medication, me because I want to be supportive), I don't read her semi-coherant ramblings any longer.
And since Dubose appears to be an Ivins clone, I don't think I'll even bother. I've lived this long without ever having heard of him, so i don't think I'm missing much.
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Oh, and by the way -- if the GOP and the "centrist" Democrats are all on the same side, doesn't that mean that folks like you on the Left are the ones who are "outside the mainstream" and therefore are "extremists" whose ideology has been rejected by the American people?
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There you go again, you are already using the words left/liberal in your usual attacking manner. If this is what you consider intellectual honesty, you sir are truely a fool.
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Hardly -- I'm just pointing out that if even the centrists are for the "radical" position you ascribe to those of us on the Right, then we & they must be taking a mainstream position, whhich leaves the other option -- the Left -- as the bunch "extremists" who are "outside the mainstream", to use two of the favorite phrases of the Left itself.
And i still can't help but note the cowardice of your anonymity.
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British Court: "Hitler Wins -- Screw The Jews"
In 1939, the home of Chech lawyer Arthur Feldmann and his wife, Gisela, were looted by a Nazi mob. Among the items taken were a set of four Old Master drawings. Both Feldmanns died during the Holocaust -- Arthur tortured to death by the Nazis, and Gisela at Auschwitz. In 1946, the drawings were obtained by the British Museum for a pittance at an auction. Their heirs have been seeking their return, but a British judge has ruled that the Museum is
barred by law from returning the stolen property to the family.
During the case, lawyers for Attorney General Lord Goldsmith argued that a decision in favour of the Feldmann family could open claims to other art works in British museums, including the Elgin Marbles.
"Once the principle is established, then it could apply to any objects whatever their provenance," Will Henderson, a lawyer for Lord Goldsmith, told the court. "Whether they were looted during the course of the Holocaust or whether they were acquired in unseemly circumstances at any other time. What if the moral claim were very different — if it were a cultural claim rather than a proprietary claim? ... The door would be open."
In his ruling, [Vice-Chancellor Andrew] Morritt said no moral obligation can justify the British Museum trustees departing from the law protecting objects forming part of the collections.
"In my judgment, only legislation or a bona fide compromise of a claim of the heirs of Dr. Feldmann to be entitled to the four drawings could entitle the trustees to transfer any of them to those heirs," Morritt said in his 13-page ruling.
The Commission for Looted Art in Europe, a group that represents the Feldmann family, criticized the decision.
"The ruling is significant for all claimants of looted art from the Nazi era, setting aside any possibility of restitution being achieved in this way, and showing that the government ought now to legislate in order to achieve clarity for all claimants," the commission said in a written statement handed out in the High Court.
So out of fear that the treasures of the British Museum obtained during the colonial era might be vulnerable, the court rules that the British Museum can obtain and keep stolen property.
Congratulations, sir, for giving Hitler a victory from the grave. You would have made a good guard at the camp where Mrs. Feldmann died.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Judge To Parents -- You May Not Pass On Your Religion To Son
In one of the most arrogant, anti-constitutional decisions made by a judge that I have ever encountered, an Indiana judge has
forbidden a pair of Wiccan parents from teaching exposing their son to their religious faith as a condition of the child custody provision of their divorce decree.
A Wiccan activist and his ex-wife are challenging a court's order that they must protect their 9-year-old son from what it terms their "non-mainstream religious beliefs and rituals."
Thomas E. Jones and Tammy Bristol of Indianapolis are fighting a Marion Superior Court stipulation that they shelter the boy from their religion. The Indiana Civil Liberties Union has taken on the case, appealing the December decree to the Indiana Court of Appeals.
Jones, a Wiccan activist who has coordinated Pagan Pride Day in Indianapolis for the past six years, said he and his ex-wife were stunned when they saw the language in the judge's dissolution decree on Feb. 13, 2004.
"We both had an instant resolve to challenge it. We could not accept it," Jones said.
Neither parent has taken their son to any Wiccan rituals since the decree was issued, he said.
"I'm afraid I'll lose my son if I let him around when I practice my religion," he said.
Now I disagree with Wicca. I have some very firm beliefs on what fate eternity holds for those who practice Wicca. But when you have two parents who both practice the religion, it is unreasonable and intolerable for a judge to tell them that they cannot pass their religious values on to their child. For that matter, I have a problem if a judge were to order that one parent not pass on any or all of their religious beliefs to their child. Short of an immediate demonstrable harm to the child's well-being, it just is not a matter for the court to be involved in. It is the fundamental right of parents to oversee the religious upbringing of their children.
What was the basis for the ruling?
A court commissioner wrote the unusual order into the couple's dissolution decree after a routine report by the court's Domestic Relations Counseling Bureau noted that both Jones and his ex-wife are pagans who send their son, Archer, to a Catholic elementary school.
"Ms. Jones and Mr. Jones display little insight into the confusion these divergent belief systems will have upon Archer as he ages," the report said.
The dissolution decree said "the parents are directed to take such steps as are needed to shelter Archer from involvement and observation of these non-mainstream religious beliefs and rituals."
The splitting parents challenged that section of the decree, but Judge Cale Bradford, who reviewed the commissioner's work, let it stand.
Uh, I thought that "diversity" was a good thing. I guess not in the eyes of these people. If the issue was the "confusion" that would be created by having the parents teaching one thing and the school something else, why not order the child removed fromt he Catholic school? After all, the kid is not Catholic, and everyone at the school knows that -- and have known that since he enrolled. The decision of the court simply does not make sense.
Additional commentary from Dolphin & Watching the Watchers.
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Well said. Diversity should be all-inclusive, as long as it isn't hurting anyone. I am a Buddhist myself, and I can only imagine how that could be twisted into a "non-mainstream" religion, if this sets the precedent.
I have no problems with people practicing the religion of their choice. This simply doesn't make sense.
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Amen,
I'm not in favor of Pagenism, but I'm even more opposed to some Judge dictating what religion a child should be raised in.
Posted by: Rachel Ann at Sun May 29 08:21:19 2005 (r410j)
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 23:12:15 2005 (V5cZa)
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Whomever it was that posted these zillions of posts in Dolphin's name (including if it was Dolphin) is an immature child.
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. There's a difference between excerpting text from an article, screed, or post, and deliberately modifying the context of a statement to make it appear as if the author is saying something they did not.
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First Amendment Protects Religious Groups, Court Rules
I wish that I didn't have to write an entry with such a title. After all, that the First Amendment protects religious citizens should be crystal clear to everyone. Unfortunately, it isn't clear to many public officials.
Take this case in Contra Costa County out in California, where any group of citizens can reserve a room for public meetings on any topic, free of charge -- except for religious groups, which were forbidden to use the library at all.
A federal judge has ordered Contra Costa County to let religious groups use its public rooms for meetings in a case involving the Antioch Library.
The county says use of its public spaces for religious purposes violates its policies and it will continue to fight a lawsuit demanding access.
Last year it banned a religious group from the community meeting room at the Antioch Library and the group went to court to assert its free speech rights.
U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White ruled this week that when the county makes available a room in a library, it cannot enforce a policy that bans religious purposes. His preliminary order issued Tuesday remains in effect while the parties continue to litigate the case.
The ruling affects libraries with meeting rooms managed by county library staffers. Libraries with meeting rooms managed by cities, such as Danville, San Ramon, Moraga and Orinda, are not affected, said Kelly Flanagan, a Contra Costa deputy counsel.
So let's be real clear here -- the reason for exclusion from the rooms was the religious content of the speech that was going to take place. That is a flagrant violation of the First Amendment rights of the group that sought to reserve teh room, and of every other religious group that sought (or might have sought) to use the library. In effect, it establishes atheism as the official religion of the library system.
Even the God-haters agree with that position.
The government cannot exclude groups "simply because they have a religious viewpoint," said Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that opposes religion in government.
"They had a policy from the get-go that discriminated against religious groups," he said. "We don't often agree with Alliance Defense Fund, but in this case, they have a point."
The fact that the library system plans on appealing this common sense ruling shows the depth of their bias. I wonder if the judge can be persuaded to order "sensitivity training" for library empoyees.
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RR: I obviously agree with the protections of the 1st Amendment, but there is a contemporary danger. Jihadists today are using their mosques and schools as the bully pulpet to plot and encourage violence against the US and its people. How do we deal with a religious group where there is no separation between theology and politics? In carrying out their plans (whatever they involve) are Muslims protected in doing so?
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Common sense dictates that they are not.
Conspiracy to commit a bona fide criminal act, including treason, is clearly not protected.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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And To Think We Meant It As A Joke
For years, those of us who believe that the Second Amendment means what it says have joked about the possibility of "knife control" to deal with the issue of knife crime.
We thought that we were kidding, and that the idea was too absurd to be considered by rational people.
Maybe we were wrong -- or these people are not rational.
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
The research is published in the British Medical Journal.
The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.
Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds
In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".
Some thoughts.
1) I don't care if such knives are "essential" -- it is my preference to use such knives.
2) The use of such knives for defensive purpose is a matter of fundamental right. Having already effectively disarmed the British populace, now it appears that these doctors wish to deprive them of the next most effective weapon. What next -- suggest that those being assaulted stand around and wave daisies at their attackers?
3) You'll get my long, sharp, pointy jknife from me when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
4) What's next -- pointed sticks?
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I read the whole thing before I realized that this was an English thing. These are the same people that believe one needs to take the bullet, and not protect yourself in a home invasion.
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While we're at it, let's outlaw glass too. Glass is dangerous and serves no real purpose. Solid walls keep out the elements just as well as walls with windows in it. And glass can break into sharp pieces - why, some pieces may even have the length and appearance of being butcher's knives! Oh, the horror.....
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Check out this story found (probably only for a short time) at this link: http://www.thisistrue.com/currentissue.html
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NAILED: An unnamed 11-year-old boy at Rawlinson Road Middle School in Rock Hill, S.C., was stopped by Assistant Principal Dianne McCray, who asked what was jingling in his pocket. He handed over ten 3.5" nails, left over from a Boy Scout trip. The administrator turned the boy over to the school police officer, who arrested the boy for possession of "weapons" at school. "Is a pencil a weapon?" demanded the boy's father.
Apparently so: state law says anything "that can be construed or used as a weapon on school grounds can be classified as unlawful," says a
police spokesman. (Rock Hill Herald)**************
So, sharp pointed sticks WILL be next. In US, (not UK) classrooms even.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Don't Apply At This School
East Lynne School District in Cass County, Missouri had ten teachers an one principal/superintendent this year. Right now, they have two
teachers and one principal/superintendent. The events that happened there this year are a classic example of what happens when the person in charge is an idiot who is more concerned about being obeyed than about the safety of his students and the input of his staff.
Seven of 10 classroom teachers in a tiny school district resigned after a colleague was fired for helping an 11-year-old girl who was left alone in a playground to pick up rocks as punishment.
The fourth-grader in the East Lynne School District in Cass County was assigned the task last September for refusing to do her schoolwork, but she was unsupervised except for a security camera. The playground was near a road but inside a fence.
The fired teacher, Christa Price, went to the principal — who is also the district superintendent — and asked him to reconsider the punishment, but he wouldn’t. So on her free period, Price helped the girl pick up rocks. Other teachers watched the girl the next day.
At contract time in March, Superintendent Dan Doerhoff recommended firing Price, a popular teacher who had had good performance evaluations, for insubordination. Seven other teachers then chose not to return their contracts.
“If a teacher who advocates on behalf of safety of a student is not fit to be a teacher at East Lynne or anywhere in Missouri according to this administration, then none of us are fit to teach at East Lynne,” the teachers who resigned said Tuesday in a statement.
Now let's look at this situation. The punishment is one that served no particular educational purpose, and the nine-year-old student was left unattended by a road with only a security camera observing her. That is great if you want to have a grainy tape of an unidentified man shoving a struggling child into the back of a non-descript van with an obscured license plate. On the other hand, it doesn't do much to protect the child from possible abduction or a car hitting her.
The fact that this administrative idiot then chose to fire the teacher, who he had given high evaluations over the course of four years, is absurd. He apparantly doesn't like being challenged or questioned -- even if they involve genuine issues of student safety.
But it gets even worse. Not only did he make sure she would not be back at the school, he also has tried to make sure that Ms. Price would never be permitted to teach anywhere ever again.
Doerhoff also refused to sign the certification renewal that Price needs to get another teaching job, saying doing so would have been inconsistent and “could put me in a pickle.”
Yeah. It might make people realize that you are an absolute asshole -- but since everyone already knows that, so why not just sign it as a sign of your good will.
Fortunately, the appropriate state agency is taking notice, and doing its best to see that justice is done.
Jim Morris, spokesman for the Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education, said the departmentÂ’s Kansas City-area supervisor has offered to speak to certification officials on PriceÂ’s behalf.
My advice to teachers -- stay far away from this district.
My advice to the school board -- fire this administrator.
My advice to the citizens of the district -- vote out the board if they don't.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Greg is absolutely right! This guy needs to go. His disciplining practices oftentimes borders on abuse. The fact of the matter is he did order this girl to pick up rocks, the alternative was suspension. She was unsupervised and near a highway. But rocks, aren't Dr. Doerhoff's only thing. He also made a student stand on a piece of paper for 2 1/2 hours as form of punishment. Yes, he needs to go!
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Dolphin: You DO NOT have a CLUE as to what has happened here!!!
Greg: THANK YOU for bringing more attention to our situation!!!
Nothing new was achieved at the last board meeting as far as I can gather from the info. I received from a school board member on "our" side that I spoke with at length. He and a few of the others are frustrated just like the rest of us parents. Here are some links to more news stories about our situation: http://www.demo-mo.com/news2-061705.html
http://www.demo-mo.com/opinion.html
On a personal note, we are currently looking into sending 3 of our children to a different school district. Which WE would have to pay for, because our school has gone to h=!!... Pleasant Hill public school would charge us $5,000 for each child! Harrisonville public school, I have not been able to contact. And, the private Christian school in Harrisonville would be around $7500 total for the 3 of them. (This is the one we are leaning toward).
I have been told that 4 kids in my sons class of 11 are going to be attending school someplace else and 4 others are undecided (5 if you count our child). This is just one class!!! Generally speaking, we are NOT wealthy people in this area...I can't think of anyone who can really AFFORD to send their children to another district where they have to pay. But, we all feel our children are worth the drastic sacrifices we will have to make!
I had this thought last night while trying to go to sleep...It'd be soooooo awesome if some corporation or several...understood our plight and made a donation to help our families give our children the eduation they DESERVE... we could split the donations between the children to help pay for their education. I know it's a long shot, but it's a dream...since the reality of what's happening to our school and children is such a nightmare!
I think I can speak on the behalf of many...that we truly appreciate everyone around the WORLD that have heard of us and our situation and are supportive of our efforts. It's a great feeling to know we are not being totally ignored... and that we are being supported people who don't even know us!
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One Good Outcome
It is about time that Priscilla Owen, that fine justice of the Texas Supreme Court,
has finally been confirmed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
The Senate on Wednesday approved Judge Priscilla Owen for a seat on the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, more than four years after President Bush first nominated her.
The vote was 56-43.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist congratulated Owen and praised her as gracious, patient, bold and courageous.
"The fact that she is willing to put herself forward and has been beaten up mercilessly on the floor of the United States Senate but has stood tall ... says a lot for her," Frist said.
But Lincoln Chafee gave us one more reason to toss him from the GOP Caucus. He voted with the Democrats, in another cowardly betrayal of his party and his president.
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Cowardly betrayal of his party and his president?
Must everyone be loyal to the party and the president?
Please, this is America. Quit calling others names if they do not vote for your kind.
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So I guess that means that there will be no more accusations of "bigot", "homophobe", "extremist", "nazi", "fascist", etc., coming from you.
Oh, that's right -- you hold your enemies to a higher standard than you hold yourself.
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Please, get. a. clue.
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Yeah -- I knew it was too good to hope for.
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As regards Chafee, he must be brain dead. His state is facing the closure of a major military base, Submarine Base Groton just over the border in neighboring Connecticut, and the loss of countless RI and CT jobs. Instead of attempting to curry favor in what will amount to a political calculation, he antagonizes the very people who are going to make the decision.
Let the Democrats have him.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Some Folks Really Don’t Get It
Now I understand that the two police chiefs in New Hampshire who have filed trespassing charges against illegal border jumpers have engaged in creative interpretation of the law that could be called “constabulary activismâ€.
And I’ll even concede that there is a question of whether state and local law enforcement officials have the jurisdiction to enforce federal laws (for example, a friend’s former roommate held her mail hostage after she moved out in a dispute over a phone bill, and the city cops rightly pointed out that they generally lacked jurisdiction over cases of tampering with or stealing mail).
But surely there is no dispute that those in this country in violation of our nation’s laws and borders are NOT citizens.
But then again, maybe there is.
LouAnn Fornataro had harsh words for the police.
“The people of New Hampshire ought to be outraged,†she said. “These chiefs of police have become vigilantes. The fact that they wear badges does not make them less than vigilantes. A law-enforcement officer has the responsibility to protect citizens from vigilantes. At the moment the vigilantes in New Ipswich and Hudson are wearing badges.â€
Uh, Lou Ann – they aren’t citizens. That is precisely the problem. They are foreign criminals and invaders who are breaking American law, and the police departments in those two towns are trying to see to it that the laws of this country are enforced by the proper authorities. That isn’t being a vigilante – that is being a good cop and a good citizen.
And if you think being a border-jumping illegal invader is the same as being a US citizen, then you are clearly either nuts or stupid. Which is it?
And by the way, you will love this absurd quote, too.
Before stopping in Hudson with a petition signed by over 100 people, the task force went to New Ipswich, where they presented a similar petition to Chamberlain. Mark MacKenzie, a spokesman for the task force, said the citations sent the wrong message to the rest of the country.
“And the message is not receiving a lot of support. Immigration is a complicated issue. People are in different phases of the immigration process trying to become legal citizens of this country,†MacKenzie said.
Uh, immigration may be a complex issue, but let me clarify something for you. Those who are actually in the immigration process trying to become legal citizens are not what the issue is here. They are not being cited. The folks getting the citations, and objected to by most Americans, are those who are NOT in the process of trying to become legal citizens, who are NOT here legally, and are therefore VIOLATING THE LAW. Until you and your fellow advocates of open borders deal with that minor detail, you won’t get very far with most of us.
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If local police don't have jurisdiction in federal crimes, then why do they respond to bank robberies?
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Because they are illegal under both state and federal law.
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Also because they involve a crime of violence, and there is a much clearer public safety issue.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Some Folks Really DonÂ’t Get It
Now I understand that the two police chiefs in New Hampshire who have filed trespassing charges against illegal border jumpers have engaged in creative interpretation of the law that could be called “constabulary activism”.
And IÂ’ll even concede that there is a question of whether state and local law enforcement officials have the jurisdiction to enforce federal laws (for example, a friendÂ’s former roommate held her mail hostage after she moved out in a dispute over a phone bill, and the city cops rightly pointed out that they generally lacked jurisdiction over cases of tampering with or stealing mail).
But surely there is no dispute that those in this country in violation of our nationÂ’s laws and borders are NOT citizens.
But then again, maybe there is.
LouAnn Fornataro had harsh words for the police.
“The people of New Hampshire ought to be outraged,” she said. “These chiefs of police have become vigilantes. The fact that they wear badges does not make them less than vigilantes. A law-enforcement officer has the responsibility to protect citizens from vigilantes. At the moment the vigilantes in New Ipswich and Hudson are wearing badges.”
Uh, Lou Ann – they aren’t citizens. That is precisely the problem. They are foreign criminals and invaders who are breaking American law, and the police departments in those two towns are trying to see to it that the laws of this country are enforced by the proper authorities. That isn’t being a vigilante – that is being a good cop and a good citizen.
And if you think being a border-jumping illegal invader is the same as being a US citizen, then you are clearly either nuts or stupid. Which is it?
And by the way, you will love this absurd quote, too.
Before stopping in Hudson with a petition signed by over 100 people, the task force went to New Ipswich, where they presented a similar petition to Chamberlain. Mark MacKenzie, a spokesman for the task force, said the citations sent the wrong message to the rest of the country.
“And the message is not receiving a lot of support. Immigration is a complicated issue. People are in different phases of the immigration process trying to become legal citizens of this country,” MacKenzie said.
Uh, immigration may be a complex issue, but let me clarify something for you. Those who are actually in the immigration process trying to become legal citizens are not what the issue is here. They are not being cited. The folks getting the citations, and objected to by most Americans, are those who are NOT in the process of trying to become legal citizens, who are NOT here legally, and are therefore VIOLATING THE LAW. Until you and your fellow advocates of open borders deal with that minor detail, you wonÂ’t get very far with most of us.
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If local police don't have jurisdiction in federal crimes, then why do they respond to bank robberies?
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Because they are illegal under both state and federal law.
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Also because they involve a crime of violence, and there is a much clearer public safety issue.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Clearly Outside The Mainstream
Would somebody tell me how
these folks missed 9/11, al-Qaeda and the rest of the reasons behind the War on Terrorism?
Conservative bias in the American news media is "not simply a matter of taste, but of life and death," a panel of liberal radio talk show hosts and representatives of leftist organizations told a group of Democrats on Tuesday.
"There is no more urgent problem facing America today," stated Mark Lloyd, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress (CAP), one of 10 panelists who spoke on "Media Bias and the Future of Freedom of the Press."
Gee, the fact that you folks donÂ’t control the media any longer is a greater threat than those who hijack planes and crash them into buildings, a greater threat than those whose avowed aim is the destruction of the United States and its liberties. Seems to me that you have a really confused set of priorities.
And what is even more disturbing is that this little shindig was sponsored by a senior Congressional Democrat, John Conyers. I love this minor detail.
No individual or group dedicated to the monitoring of liberal media bias was invited to the event, though Conyers said he might invite "an independent or a Republican" at a similar forum in six months.
So, you want to talk about media bias without inviting those who might dispute your preconceived biases. After all, allowing conservatives to dispute the assertions of folks like Randi Rhodes, an Air America host who has twice been responsible for threats against the life of the President on her show, would certainly have created a different picture than what you people wanted to set forth. What you have explicitly and intentionally done is set up a biased forum (which you claim is wrong when it is done by the media – how much worse is it when done by a government official?) and plan on doing so again in the future, with perhaps a token representative just to give a patina of fairness.
And it was Rhodes who set out the agenda of the Left – a regime of politically based censorship targeted at the conservative media, explicitly designed to prop up the Democrat Party.
She had three recommendations for addressing media bias. The first was for Congress to adopt standards for labeling a broadcast as news instead of opinion or commentary.
"Second, I think we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine, which served this country well from 1949 through 1987" by guaranteeing "competing viewpoints on issues of public importance."
Rhodes' final suggestion was "to protect our journalists," who "must be free to report and never be penalized with lost access to the people they cover or with retribution from partisan employers.
"If you fail to act," she told the liberal U.S. representatives in attendance, "I will be a member of a minority party for a very long time. That is, if the two-party system can survive this new propaganda machine called the news."
Let’s look at this scheme, which Rhodes tells us is designed to help the Democrats and hurt the Republicans. She wants the government to decide what constitutes news and what constitutes opinion in the media – never mind that much of the “objective” news coming out of the mainstream media has an explicitly anti-conservative spin to it, despite the fact that Rhodes and her fellow Leftists view it as too conservative because it doesn’t tip far enough their direction. She wants the government to tell the broadcast media what they must broadcast by reimposing the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” – something that would be anathema if applied to the print media. Lastly, she wants the government to control hiring and firing decisions in the media, and to force people to talk with reporters against their will – thereby giving members of the media greater rights to access to public officials and document than an ordinary citizen.
But I do think we owe the participants in this little hate-fest a debt of gratitude. After all, they have shown us just how hostile the American Left is to American values. They have shown us how stupid they believe the American public to be – after all, we cannot be trusted to sift fact from opinion or falsehood, and so they want the government to do it on our behalf, just like in Cuba, China, and North Korea.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Up To Their Old Tricks
Looks like the Left in this country are up to their old tricks again, trying to define
“extraordinary circumstances” in such a way as to be understood as “any Republican nominee with ethics.”
Within minutes of the deal's announcement Monday night, NARAL Pro-Choice America announced that "extraordinary circumstances" should include any nominees who don't state their positions on Roe v. Wade, the court case that made abortion a constitutional right. Other liberals have defined "extraordinary circumstances" as any vacancy on the Supreme Court.
It seems clear, then, that the Left is insisting that the “deal” to end the filibusters was no deal, but instead a complete capitulation by the GOP. If the seven Democrats who signed on to this deal do, in fact, follow the lead of these outside the mainstream extreme left-wing groups, then it will be necessary for some of the GOP Senators who betrayed the GOP to admit that they were chumps who got rolled by their own dishonorable colleagues. Will they have the courage and integrity to do so? The fact that they made this bargain in the first place makes me doubt that they will have the courage to admit their mistake.
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I have a question.
What would constitute a "deal" to you? A rubberstamp on every right-wing nut Bush tries to shove into a position?
As it stands, we now have William "the government belongs in the bedroom of every citizen" Pryor on his way to being a judge with Priscilla "I have never in my life ruled against a corporation" Owens already there.
That's a huge victory for the GOP and a huge defeat for the United States of America. The Dems got NOTHING in return at all, yet you still complain. That's outrageous. A two party system demands compromise yet, not being able to compromise, the Dems outright GIVE the GOP part fo what they want yet the GOP has the audactiy to complain because they don't get EVERYTHING they want.
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A simple up or down vote -- that is all we ever asked for.
And sorry you feel the need to distort the records of two fine legal minds because they happen to oppose your view of the world.
By the way -- what is your position on the Michigan nominees who are being filibustered for the simple reason that a Senator's nose is out of joint because his wife's cousin's something or other wasn't confirmed after being nominated at the tail end of the Clinton presidency. There is no question of fitness -- just personal spite.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu May 26 12:02:43 2005 (tDUC4)
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dolphin: Here's an idea -- want what you wish to see in government? Win elections, pal.
Posted by: Hube at Thu May 26 13:27:17 2005 (kUw93)
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Hube: Here's an idea -- let's let the government function the way it's supposed to. Winning Walden O'Dell's vote doesn't give the GOP a license to usurp absolute power. This is SUPPOSED to be a representative democracy. Why is 5.1% of the population the only people being represented??
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So holding a vote in the Senate is now a usurpation of power?
And 5.1 percent -- isn't that at least double the percentage of homosexuals in the US population? Why should they get to overrule the results of elections?
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Yes, if the vote changes the way the Senate has functioned for 200 years and establishes absolute power to one party and removed representation from half the country I'd say that is a usurpation of power. What if the senate voted to declare George Bush king? Would you claim there was no usurpation of power going on (of course you would, you'd be there campaigning in favor of it).
You know it's an actual Aryan Nation tatic to bring up a minority group that it's "socially acceptable" to hate when trying to win others over to your cause. Kinda says alot right there.
That said, I don't think any minority should overrule the rsults of an election. What particular election are you accusing gay people of trying to overrule, the presidential election, a certain senate election, a house election, a local election?
I believe you were probably falling back on your GOP talking points which apparently expressly state that anytime you can't win an argument you try to divide the nation with talk of marriage eqaulity. Nobody is "elected" in such a vote, so calling it an election doesn't really make much sense. That said, voting on human rights is such an atrocity that I don't even understand how it came about. Imagine the outrage if I suggests that we should vote on whether or not evangelical christians should be considered human in the eyes of the government. Of course I'd never DARE suggest such a thing because it's my belief that human rights should be above the arbitrary and ever changing popular opinion.
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If said proposal were made in the form of a Constitutional Amendment, I would campaign against it. If said proposal were made in the form of a statute, I would join the suit to strike it down as a violation of the Constitution.
And it is a typical leftist talking point to associate anyone who supports policies they oppose with the Nazis, Fascists, Klan, or Aryan Nations.
And refusing to change the nature of a social institution to support the whims of the minority against the beliefs and desires of the minority is not a human rights violation. Your asserting that it is does not make it so.
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Interesting. You CLAIM you'd be against placing bush as king yet you'd happily remove half of the legislators of the country leaving ONLY those who will rubberstamp every word out of Bush's mouth. That my friend IS establishing Bush as a king.
It's a typical right wing tatic to utilize bonafide aryan nation tatics (as reported by a former aryan nation recuiter) then write it off just "because." Why not call an apple an apple? If your tatics were so different you could actually explain how instead of just saying "becuase." Are you or are you not attacking a group of people in order to divde people and stir up hatred? The answer is crystal clear.
Ok, well you can disagree with me and show your gross ignorance of US law but the Supreme Court precedent agrees with me on this one. The FACT is that denying a population a human right IS denying their humanity. There's no room for argument on that at all. It's inherent in the definition of the word.
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Uh, where did I advocate removing legislators from any legislative body.
Now i did advocate kicking some out of the GOP caucus, but that is hardly the same thing.
You might want to start reading MUCH MORE CLOSELY, or ask your doctor to prescribe you some honesty pills.
Actually, since marrige to a person of the same sex is NOT a human right, there is no violation of human rights in not permitting it. And since the Supreme Court has not ruled that it is -- just a couple of runaway renegade judges substituting their own views for millenia of Western tradition -- maybe you need that prescription for honesty pills filled regardless.
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Honesty pills??? What are you, four?
Anyways, the Supreme Court DID rule that marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man"
Perhaps if you'd take a break from coming on other people's property and making demands about how they operate thier personal property and actuall crack a history book you'd know that.
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I guess you are as unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm as you are with the concept of honesty.
And I didn't make a demand -- I simply pointed out that your entire argument was flawed, had been demolished, and therefore meritted retraction. I recognize you are not honest enough to make one.
The proof of that was your deletion of the posts which constituted the systematic destruction of your argument.
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Oh, and regarding your point about marriage -- yes, marriage has been labeled as such by the Supreme Court.
However, the Supreme Court has never accepted any other view of marriage besides that it is the monogamous union of one man and one woman.
You, of course, leave that out.
And as you well know, I have degrees in history and political science (a masters degree, in fact) from a major midwestern state university, as well as graduate level work in theology. I also teach both history and political science.
What are your credentials, dolphin?
I didn't think so.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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OK - Dolphin and RWR - I don't think that marriage should be recognized in any way, shape, or form by the government. It's none of their business whether or not I'm married and I'd support an Amendment saying just that. Keep marriage between the couple and their clergyman (clergy...uhh...woman?).
Furthermore Dolphin, what he did was represent the core and true aspect of the article. What you did (that he complained about) was eliminate aspects of his post that specifically pointed out that what your 'fear' was, was not valid in the context of his post.
Now, on to the meat of the matter:
A FILIBUSTER ON JUDICIAL NOMINEES IS NOT A MATTER OF CONSTITUTIONALITY!
This is a simple matter of a Senate *rule*.
What I'd do to change this is simple: I'd make it so THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO FILIBUSTER! Right now, these geniuses don't have to stand there and read from recipe books and phone books to filibuster something, they just say they will and that's good enough. That's foolishness! If you want to filibuster, that's fine...BUT GIVE IT TEETH! MAKE IT HARD TO DO!
I may dislike Republicans, but I *LOATHE* most Democrats.
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Since when do the federal courts have any jurisdiction over
network “talent” booking decisions? After all, the First Amendment does not apply to private businesses.
In the latest twist in the broadening battle overdecency standards, the glam-metal band Mötley Crüe filed suit against NBC yesterday. The suit states that the network violated the group's free-speech rights and weakened its sales by banning it after Vince Neil, the lead singer, used an expletive on the air in a Dec. 31 appearance on "The Tonight Show."
The lawsuit, filed in a federal court in Los Angeles, accuses the network of censoring the band to mollify a Federal Communications Commission that has been increasingly quick to levy steep fines for broadcasting indecent material on television and radio. The lawsuit says the network, which banned the group after Mr. Neil inserted an expletive into his New Year's greeting to Mötley Crüe's drummer, Tommy Lee, added insult to injury by promoting a summer reality series featuring Mr. Lee.
The band, known for 1980's hits like "Shout at the Devil" and "Girls, Girls, Girls," is requesting a ruling that NBC's ban is unconstitutional, a court order forcing the network to lift it, and unspecified financial damages tied to the band's reduced media exposure.
You have no case. Now just go away.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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May 23, 2005
Texas Legislature Distrespects Teachers
Well, the Texas Legislature has done it. They have once again kicked the teachers in the teeth and said we don't mean squat to them.
Look at this story about the future of teacher retirement benefits.
Legislation aimed at stabilizing the $91 billion Teacher Retirement System won tentative House approval Monday, despite some claims that it pits active teachers against retired teachers.
Rep. Craig Eiland, the House sponsor of the measure, said if lawmakers do nothing to change the system, retired teachers won't be able to get a retirement payment increase for the next 12 to 15 years.
They haven't had one since 2001, he said.
It's also important to preserve the system as a defined benefit plan as opposed to a defined contribution plan, said Eiland, D-Galveston.
The system covers about 850,000 employees and about 240,000 retirees. The fund has $11 billion of unfunded liabilities and is 88 percent funded.
The bill would increase the retirement age to 60 from 55, although the change would affect only teachers who start working on or after September 2007.
It also attempts to stop incentives for early teacher retirement.
"We cannot afford it," Eiland said. "The whole purpose of this bill is to change retirement patterns, retirement behavior."
The proposal would change the base of retirees' benefits to the highest five years of their salary instead of the highest three.
Rep. Jim McReynolds, D-Lufkin, tried unsuccessfully to change that provision of the proposal.
"These are tough votes," McReynolds said. "It kind of pits us between our active teachers and our retired teachers." But in the end he voted for the bill, which tentatively passed 115-16. Some others who criticized parts of the bill abstained from voting.
Senators approved a similar proposal last week. If the Senate does not agree with changes made on the House side, a committee of a few lawmakers from each chamber will meet to work out the differences.
Later retirement. Lower benefits. A continued refusal of the state to make up the state contributions that were reduced more than a decade ago, creating this fiscal shortfall. We are still paid below state average, and the one "perk" that has been discussed this year will not start until after many teachers quit the classroom and will not benefit childless teachers or those who enter the classroom later in life or with older children.
Consider this retirement plan change, for a group of part-timers who make only $7200 a year plus their per diem when they meet in odd number years.
Senators and representatives earn $7,200 a year for their part-time jobs. They receive $128 per day for expenses during the 140 days they meet every other year.
The low pay is a result of Texas founding fathers' desire for citizen-legislators who would bring their real world experience to their law-writing duties.
But while the pay is low, the benefits can be good. The state pays for health insurance for lawmakers and their families.
Retired lawmakers can begin collecting pensions at age 50 if they serve for at least 12 years. Under SB 368, a retired official with 12 years' experience would get $6,431 more a year for a total pension of $34,500. Benefits increase with each year of service.
So the legislators, with their fully funded health insurance (like other state employees -- except teachers, who would be "too expensive to include" despite being promised equivalent benefits over a decade ago), will see an increase in their pension nearly equivalent to their entire annual salary. That will push their annual benefit above what many teachers get from TRS, and their retirement age and years of service are both lower than those of teachers.
Yep, you folks really have showed what great value you place on teachers.
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Question: Where The $91 billion Teacher Retirement System right this minute? In
stocks and bonds.
Risky scheme?
Posted by: donsurber at Tue May 24 05:41:34 2005 (OIxNx)
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All of America is into stocks and bonds. It's only risky if you do not diversify your portfolio. Diversifying minimizes those risk for loss.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 24 07:48:07 2005 (SALCs)
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Hey, I don't disagree with you guys on social security. I'm FOR the President's plan.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Tue May 24 10:15:13 2005 (h1oz6)
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People pay for the things they value, RR. That's why teachers don't get paid shit, and basketball players make millions. There is only one reason Texas teachers are treated so poorly; no leverage. "Professional associations" have no clout in Texas, and consequently, neither do teachers. What IF Texas teachers just walked out and stayed out until their demands for decent pay and benefits were acted upon?
Posted by: Mustang at Tue May 24 13:29:14 2005 (nP7cz)
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The problem is that i doubt that you could get a large enough bloc of teachers to walk out. After all, replacing folks in some small district would not be too hard. Getting a complete walkout at HISD would be virtually impossible.
And given that there is a firm "no public employees strikes" law, we would likely get a PATCO type response, revoking the licenses of a lot of teachers.
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"Yep, you folks really have showed what great value you place on teachers."
Can't blame them for screwing you guys -- after all, you encouraged racism -- where is your entry about "Black Girl" in Waxahachie, Texas?
The school said it was just a placeholder -- I think there is more to this than that.
R-
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Based upon what I've seen, that may be all there is to it.
And anyway, at my school the unidentified minority female would have had to be identified as "White Girl", since we are nearly half Hispanic and a third black.
And if I decide to take the position at the other high school in the district, I'll be at a school which is about 90% Hispanic. (The principal of that school approached me yesterday and asked me if I would I wanted to transfer to her school -- she's been trying to get me for the last 5 years, ever since my old principal vetoed my transfer the last time she had an opening in my field.)
And by the way -- where do you get that whole "promoted racism" thing? Or is that simply another one of your baseless accusations that you pull out of the "liberal bag o' mud"?
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"Liberal bag o' mud" is right.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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dolphin...maybe learn and get a clue and get a few lessons from "R".
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Take The Patterico Pledge
After
this dastardly sell-out of the Constitution and the President's judicial nominees, I join
Patterico.
The next time John McCain runs for any elective office, I pledge to support his opponent. I will use my blog to encourage others to vote for his opponent.
I am singling him out because of his fascist campaign finance law, which will not stop me in any way from using this blog to oppose John McCain for the rest of his days.
That is my solemn pledge to you.
I urge others to take the Patterico Pledge!
(Hat Tip -- Michelle Malkin & Martin America)
UPDATE: Patrick Carver over at Southern Appeal posts the following information about the "moderates" who conspired to deliver the unkindest cut of all in the Senate.
For those of you wondering when the Gang of Seven GOPers are up for re-election and think they deserve a primary battle with a true conservative, here's a list:
2006
Chafee (RI)
DeWine (OH)
Snowe (ME)
2008
Graham (SC)
Collins (ME)
Warner (VA)
2010
McCain (AZ)
Keep in mind Warner and McCain may not run for re-election, so replacing with consistant conservative should be easier but those elections are a long way off.
Have they smeared their hands and arms with the blood of their victims, clear up to the elbows? Do we now hear them cry "Peace, freedom and liberty!" as they go about proclaiming themselves the boldest and best hearts of Rome America?
These seven must be made to pay for their betrayal. Can the caucus strip them of their chairmanships? Will the President cut them out of any role in nominating judges in their own states? In short, does the GOP have the will to do something about those who would undercut their own party and president?
Text of the crooked, backroom bargain at GOPBloggers.
Live blogging at Blogs For Bush.
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Ye gods.
Am watching Foxnews right now awaiting Presser on filibuster compromise (nothing is really clear on what was given...push all or some of the nominees through to keep the filibuster).
Posted by: mcconnell at Mon May 23 17:29:49 2005 (z6Eaf)
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Leave the Republican Moderates alone -- remove them, your party is not GOP -- it is nutty Xians only.
Siths!
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Mon May 23 18:29:28 2005 (nWmj6)
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Ah, yess -- a Left-winger expresing such concern for the GOP that he wants to make sure that we have continued success in the future by keeping around those who betray the party at every turn.
I think I like my idea better.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 23 23:16:33 2005 (50IQi)
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Frist runs the Senate, he doesn't have to agree to the terms. Yet, we don't even know what President Bush' take on all this. Basically you have 14 nitwits who underminded the Constitution and allowed them to get away from a cloture vote when the 60 votes are needed. Is 14 > 60?
No.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 24 07:51:41 2005 (SALCs)
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Let his opponent be a democrat then!
Posted by: truthserum at Tue May 24 17:56:57 2005 (gOVku)
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If necessary -- though I think we'll be able to knock him off in the primary.
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Sold Out!
Time to dump McCain and the rest of his moderate crew. We get less than half of our nominees, the Democrats keep the filibuster, and the Constitution is raped again by those who have no fidelity to it.
Averting a showdown, centrists from both parties reached agreement Monday night on a compromise that clears the way for confirmation votes on many of President Bush's stalled judicial nominees, leaves others in limbo and preserves venerable Senate filibuster rules.
"In a Senate that is increasingly polarized, the bipartisan center held," said Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn.
"The Senate is back in business," echoed Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., one of 14 senators who signed the two-page memorandum of agreement, which cited "mutual trust and confidence."
Under the terms, Democrats would agree to oppose any attempt to filibuster - and thus block final votes - on the confirmation of Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor. There is "no commitment to vote for or against" the filibuster against two other conservative nominees, Henry Saad and William Myers.
As for future nominees, the agreement said they should "only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances," with each Democrat senator holding the discretion to decide when those conditions had been met.
"In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement," Republicans said they would oppose any attempt to make changes in the application of filibuster rules.
And no doubt "extraordinary circumstances" means any time half-Truth Harry, Ted the Drunk, Leaky Leahy and the rest of the lackies of the hard Left tell them to support a filibuster.
Hat Tip -- Michelle Malkin, Scared Monkeys , Ace of Spades & Buzz Blog.
Text of the crooked, backroom bargain at GOPBloggers.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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An Important Note On The Red Cross
The
Wall Street Journal editorializes today on the International Committee of the Red Cross and certain statements made by one of its officials.
The first concerns a story we heard first from a U.S. source that an ICRC representative visiting America's largest detention facility in Iraq last month had compared the U.S. to Nazi Germany. According to a Defense Department source citing internal Pentagon documents, the ICRC team leader told U.S. authorities at Camp Bucca: "You people are no better than and no different than the Nazi concentration camp guards." She was upset about not being granted immediate access shortly after a prison riot, when U.S. commanders may have been thinking of her own safety, among other considerations.
A second, senior Defense Department source we asked about the episode confirmed that the quote above is accurate. And a third, very well-placed American source we contacted separately told us that some kind of reference was made by the Red Cross representative "to either Nazis or the Third Reich"--which understandably offended the American soldiers present.
We called the ICRC last Wednesday for its side of the story, and a spokesman in Geneva confirmed that "there was a serious misunderstanding between the ICRC's team leader and [Coalition] authorities during our last visit to Camp Bucca." The ICRC also confirmed that "the team leader subsequently decided to leave the Iraq assignment."
The spokesman added, however, that he "can categorically say that the team leader did not in any sense compare the detention regime in Iraq to what happened in the Third Reich." Pressed as to whether he could rule out those terms having been used, the spokesman declined, citing the ICRC's practice of confidentiality when it comes to relations with the governments with which it works.
Now it seems that the alleged quote is at least as well sourced – better sourced, in fact – as those in a certain recent Newsweek piece. And as the Journal notes, the so-called confidentiality policies of the ICRC didn’t stop the organization from commenting on allegations against the US by unlawful combatants at Gitmo. The organization is only willing to use its confidentiality policy to protect itself from charges of bias.
Of particular concern, though, is this little tidbit.
Which brings us back to the "Nazi" reference by that ICRC official at Camp Bucca. We wouldn't normally report the remarks, however offensive, of a single official. But after we started asking about the incident, we began to hear from other sources that someone was attempting damage control by alerting the ICRC's friends in the media and State Department about what we might report. One media proponent of the "torture" allegation against the U.S. warned on the Internet that we were out to smear the ICRC (which, we should add, is not the same as the American Red Cross).
So I guess that the ICRC not only views the US as the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany, but also considers any negative coverage by the press to be a smear.
Has the day come for the US to shut out the ICRC, in the hopes that some other organization might do a better job of monitoring the rights of prisoners?
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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Never!
I continue to be appalled that our putative allies, the Israelis, keep attempting to
liberate an American traitor.
First Lady Gila Katzav, wife of Israeli President Moshe Katzav, gave her American counterpart, Laura Bush, a letter signed by 13 Members of Knesset demanding the release of Jonathan Pollard from federal prison.
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Just prior to her visit to the Temple Mount, the two First Ladies spent a few moments together at the Western Wall. Mrs. Bush placed a note in a crevice of the holy site, an undisclosed message which she reportedly wrote on the plane on her way to Israel.
As she approached the Wall, Bush encountered a group of young female demonstrators calling for the release of Jonathan Pollard. Pollard is a former intelligence analyst for the U.S. Navy who risked his career and freedom to pass sensitive security information to Israel. Since his conviction in a plea bargain arrangement in 1986, Pollard has been serving a life sentence in federal prison.
As she entered the wall area, the girls chanted, “Free Pollard Now.” At the same time, a group of men held a similar demonstration in the plaza opposite the Wall.
The letter demanding Pollard’s release that Gila Katzav gave to Laura Bush was initiated by MK Gila Finkelstein (National Religious Party). “We’re happy that Katzav did not act in the manner of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon, and did not forget to hand over the letter,” said Finkelstein.
Israel needs to understand that further attempts to liberate the traitor Pollard will not be looked upon favorably by the American people. My forgiveness of Israel for its betrayal of the US is grudging at best, as I have explained in the past. Much of the material Pollard stole for money ended up in the hands of AmericaÂ’s enemies. Any deal that allows for PollardÂ’s release is, in my opinion, grounds for impeachment.
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I mentioned that the evangelical Christians are not friends with Jews, they are using them to further their goals of the Apocalypise means.
Sending money to Jewish organizations that worked with bringing the Jews back to the homeland because according to their wacky prophecy, if there is more than 3/4 of Jews in Israel, the Endtimes are starting!
That's what they are for. They do not care about friendships.
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Mon May 23 19:31:58 2005 (nWmj6)
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So of course Jews should side with you folks on the religion-hating, anti-Semitic Left -- the supporters of the Palestinians, who wish to finish the job started by Hitler.
And by the way, I've never met a Christian who expressed the theology you mention -- but plenty of atheist Left-wingers who claim that is what Christians believe.
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I am not anti-semitic. I love the Jews to death -- but I will not fund money to send them to Israel.
RWR, you surely jest that you hadn't met a Christian who expressed the theology -- I met some in New York. It was mentioned on religious channels that you freuqented to watch.
Stuff like that, don't bother to lie.
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Uhhhh -- you make a big assumption about my viewing habits. I do not watch any of the so-called "Christian" channels.
I also have never encountered anyone who says "get the Jews back there so we can have Armageddon." I have heard folks express the view that at X, Y, &/or Z has to happen for the End Times to happen, but it isn't a gleeful thing so much as it is an observation based upon their understanding of Scripture.
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The Christians will never say that "let's send them to Israel so that we can rush the day of Armageddon" -- but their actions spoke volumes because it was mentioned in their Bible that it shall happen when 3/4 of Jews returned to Israel.
Thinka bout it. Do not lie. Even the Village Voice had a lengthy article about it few months ago.
R-
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Funny, I've read the Bible repeatedly, and have never seen that number quoted anywhere. Would you care to provide chapter and verse?
Or are you just speaking in ignorance -- or making up another lie as you go along.
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Careful, "R" just may break out into hives.
Posted by: mcconnell at Thu May 26 03:39:24 2005 (aOgaA)
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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But Isn’t This Theocracy?
I’m confused. When Conservative politicians and Christians use churches to host political gatherings, the Left starts yammering about “theocracy.†What, then, is
this political gathering in a church sanctuary to discuss political matters, sponsored by and featuring pastors and politicians?
After the Sunday service at Antioch Baptist Church, the pastors turned their pulpit over to opponents of President Bush's proposals to change Social Security.
Nearly 100 congregation and community members attended an afternoon meeting in the church's main sanctuary, where they heard from Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a Cleveland Democrat; Cleveland AFL-CIO Executive Secretary John Ryan; and Cleveland NAACP Executive Director Stanley Miller, among others.
But wait – there’s more to it.
The Rev. Marvin McMickle, the church's pastor, later said that he was one of more than 100 clergy who met with Tubbs Jones in February, when she urged them to discuss Social Security with their congregations.
He said he agreed to do so because the issue affects the lives of his church's members.
So I have to ask the question – is the stand against “theocracy†taken by the Left based upon principle, or is it simply that they don’t want Christians who might vote Republican to participate in the political process?
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Ahh. What we have here is a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theocracy." A theocracy isn't a state in which Christians (or any other religious group)
participate in the political process. A theocracy is one in which the principles of a specific relgion (or at least the principles as percieved by the ruling group) are enshrined in law. That's what scares us to death. Some might disagree but holding a secular political meeting in a building with an organ is no different than holding it in a hotel conference room as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: dolphin at Fri May 27 07:41:55 2005 (2h6qI)
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That isn't the way your side uses the word.
And since you had a congresscritter out recruiting pastors to bring in the flock to a church meeting about secular issues and how they related to what the Church believes...
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Ahh... Is this a new thing that the GOP has told it's memebers to do. I'm encountering it more and more often.
That isn't the way your side uses the word.
This is like te 3 rd time I've been told, "I can't argue against your point of view so I'll just assign you a different point of view"
Posted by: dolphin at Sat May 28 05:33:40 2005 (TGO2t)
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Hardly -- it is simply pointing out how the word is being used in contemporary political discourse by those who brought it into the discussion.
And please note -- I did respond to your original point, making it clear that this event seems to have met your criteria.
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My understanding is that a secular meeting took place in a church building. I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem if the neo-nazi right want to have a meeting in a church building. I DO have a problem if they want to write there disgusting corruption of Christianity into law.
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Gee, dolphin, I read the article differently than you do.
And you are engaged in a tactic that, when used against the Left, is usually referred to as Red-baiting. I thought you valued honesty and logic.
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
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I guess dolphin answered RWR's question on tge question of honesty with a short end of a stick.
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But IsnÂ’t This Theocracy?
I’m confused. When Conservative politicians and Christians use churches to host political gatherings, the Left starts yammering about “theocracy.” What, then, is
this political gathering in a church sanctuary to discuss political matters, sponsored by and featuring pastors and politicians?
After the Sunday service at Antioch Baptist Church, the pastors turned their pulpit over to opponents of President Bush's proposals to change Social Security.
Nearly 100 congregation and community members attended an afternoon meeting in the church's main sanctuary, where they heard from Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a Cleveland Democrat; Cleveland AFL-CIO Executive Secretary John Ryan; and Cleveland NAACP Executive Director Stanley Miller, among others.
But wait – there’s more to it.
The Rev. Marvin McMickle, the church's pastor, later said that he was one of more than 100 clergy who met with Tubbs Jones in February, when she urged them to discuss Social Security with their congregations.
He said he agreed to do so because the issue affects the lives of his church's members.
So I have to ask the question – is the stand against “theocracy” taken by the Left based upon principle, or is it simply that they don’t want Christians who might vote Republican to participate in the political process?
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Ahh. What we have here is a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theocracy." A theocracy isn't a state in which Christians (or any other religious group)
participate in the political process. A theocracy is one in which the principles of a specific relgion (or at least the principles as percieved by the ruling group) are enshrined in law. That's what scares us to death. Some might disagree but holding a secular political meeting in a building with an organ is no different than holding it in a hotel conference room as far as I'm concerned.
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That isn't the way your side uses the word.
And since you had a congresscritter out recruiting pastors to bring in the flock to a church meeting about secular issues and how they related to what the Church believes...
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Fri May 27 12:47:53 2005 (oyTDb)
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Ahh... Is this a new thing that the GOP has told it's memebers to do. I'm encountering it more and more often.
That isn't the way your side uses the word.
This is like te 3 rd time I've been told, "I can't argue against your point of view so I'll just assign you a different point of view"
Posted by: dolphin at Sat May 28 05:33:40 2005 (TGO2t)
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Hardly -- it is simply pointing out how the word is being used in contemporary political discourse by those who brought it into the discussion.
And please note -- I did respond to your original point, making it clear that this event seems to have met your criteria.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat May 28 07:11:34 2005 (vm849)
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My understanding is that a secular meeting took place in a church building. I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem if the neo-nazi right want to have a meeting in a church building. I DO have a problem if they want to write there disgusting corruption of Christianity into law.
Posted by: dolphin at Sat May 28 12:26:08 2005 (SVh3K)
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Gee, dolphin, I read the article differently than you do.
And you are engaged in a tactic that, when used against the Left, is usually referred to as Red-baiting. I thought you valued honesty and logic.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat May 28 13:24:56 2005 (zU2Lj)
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How dare you twist the article around by not quoting every letter of it. Oh well, I guess it's just another case of an attack by The Dishonest And Intellectually Deficient Right.
Posted by: dolphin at Sun May 29 23:17:31 2005 (V5cZa)
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I guess dolphin answered RWR's question on tge question of honesty with a short end of a stick.
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Whitewashing A White Supremacist
My gag reflex got a good workout while reading this report on the completion of a
hagiographic work on the life and career of Senator Robert Byrd --
The Soul of the Senate.
Four years in the making, the first documentary about the life of Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., will premiere Saturday at the Clay Center in Charleston.
In its 58 minutes, “The Soul of the Senate” blends photographs and vignettes from Byrd’s early life as a boy and young state legislator to his role on the national and world stage today. It offers comments from many of his present and former colleagues.
Produced by MotionMasters and the West Virginia Humanities Council, the film is billed as “a story of strength and fortitude. A story of the orphan who became orator. The produce clerk turned statesman. A coal miner’s son who rose, with a bow and fiddle in hand, to be a giant in the United States government.”
Some historic shots were discovered in the massive television video archives WSAZ-TV has given to the Cultural Center in Charleston and Marshall University in Huntington.
“It was a treasure hunt,” said Diana Sole of MotionMasters.
“We had to pry some of those old [video] cans open. We found one film of Senator Byrd a week before he was sworn into the Senate.”
Sole also used footage taken by Bill Drennan and Mike Willard. In the mid-1980s, they worked on, but never finished, a documentary they planned to call “A Day in the Life of Senator Byrd.”
Photographs show Byrd playing his fiddle, leading Appropriations Committee hearings and walking with Erma, who married him nearly 68 years ago in 1937. A particularly colorful clip shows Erma watching her husband play fiddle on the television show “Hee-Haw.”
“Soul of the Senate” highlights moments in Byrd’s life from his graduation as valedictorian from Mark Twain High School in Stotesbury in 1934, to being congratulated by President John F. Kennedy as he received his law degree at American University in 1963, to chairing major committee hearings in the U.S. Senate.
Actor James Brolin adds an effective narration to the documentary, which also boasts an original musical score.
I've no doubt that this will leave out his time as an active Klansman, his filibuster of civil rights legislation, his record of voting against every black man ever nominated for the US Supreme Court., and his repeated public use of racial slurs. Sadly, a copy will be placed in every secondary school library in West Virginia, where future generations of West Virginians will be misinformed about this great blemish on the history of their state.
And may I be permitted to say that if Robert Byrd is truly the soul of the Senate, the institution is a shriveled, dessicated piece of excrement which deserves to be repudiated by every supporter of freedom, equality, and American patriotism.
Michelle Malkin and HundredPercenter News also comment.
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One Of My Favorite Authors Makes An Appearance
I never particularly enjoyed teaching English, though I did it for six years of my teaching career. The thing I most enjoyed, though, was the literature that I got to deal with on a recurring basis, teaching it year after year. Closest to my heart each year were the weeks I spent walking my student's through Harper Lee's great novel,
To Kill A Mockingbird. I always asked them, after the first reading assignment, to tell me what the narrator says the story is about in the first chapter. If you can't remembr, I'll tell you at the end.
My students were always fascinated that Ms. Lee became a recluse, rarely speaking to the press or making public appearances -- or even leaving her apartment -- while I am intrigued by the reports that the dear lady has completed several other manuscripts, which will be duly shipped off to publishers after her death. So it is with great interest that I saw this article -- photo included! -- about one of Ms. Lee's rare public outings.
Harper Lee, who has been dodging publicity for decades since she published her only book, To Kill a Mockingbird, made a rare step into the limelight to be honored by the Los Angeles Public Library.
Lee, 79, stopped giving interviews a few years after she won the Pulitzer Prize for her 1960 coming-of-age book exploring racial prejudice in the South. She has turned down most requests for appearances.
But she couldn't refuse an invitation from Veronique Peck, the widow of actor Gregory Peck, who won an Oscar for his starring role as lawyer Atticus Finch in the 1962 film version of the book and became a lifelong friend with Lee.
Mockingbird co-star Brock Peters, who played the black man falsely accused of rape in the film, presented the award to Lee.
After Veronique Peck whispered in her ear, Lee gave her only remarks of the evening: "I'll say it again. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart."
Maybe this isn't the most significant piece of news I will ever write about. Maybe no one will give a rip at all about my affection for this woman. And perhaps many of you hated reading her one published book during your high school years. But I have to agree with Mrs. Peck's words about the woman who created the character who became her husband's greatest role.
Veronique Peck said Lee is "like a national treasure."
"She's someone who has made a difference with this book," she said. "All the kids in the United States read this book and see the film in the seventh and eighth grades and write papers and essays. My husband used to get thousands and thousands of letters from teachers who would send them to him."
By the way, does anyone remember what that long story was ostensibly about? As I always reminded my students at the end of the novel, it was the story of how Scout's brother Jem broke his arm.
And so much more -- so very much more.
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PC Euro-Weenies Dishonor Trafalgar Victors
As we approach the bicentenial of the British naval victory over Napoleon's forces at
Trafalgar, someone in the British bureaucracy has seen fit to
dishonor Lord Nelson and his men at the official commemoration.
Instead of the British taking on a French/Spanish fleet at next month's event to mark the battle's bicentenary a "red" force will take on a "blue".
Navy organisers fear visiting officials may be embarrassed at seeing their side beaten, The Sunday Times reported.
Portsmouth MP Mike Hancock said an event which did not acknowledge who the enemy was is "absolute twaddle".
The Lib Dem MP said: "If we are going to re-enact it we should do it properly. I am sure the French do not pull any punches when they celebrate Napoleon's victories.
"The French will be there - let's not rub it in but at least be accurate. I see no reason why we should not be out there proud as punch proclaiming it."
He said it was unlikely the decision was made by a serving naval officer and concluded it must have been "a faceless bureaucrat somewhere who thinks their next posting might be in Paris."
One event sponsor said: "Surely 200 years on we can afford to gloat a bit."
"Not even the French can try and get snooty about this."
Official literature for the event refers to "an early 19th-century sea battle" instead of the Battle of Trafalgar, The Sunday Times said.
You must be freakin' joking. Not offend the French? Why commemorate the battle at all, if you don't want to note its name and the respective sides that took part in it. That would have been like commemorating the end of WWII without noting who won, who lost, and who committed a genocide second only to that perpetrated in the name of Communism.
What next? Signs by the roadside that say "On this site, on thus and such a date, something really interesting happened, but we don't dare tell you what it was for fear of offending someone."
Nelson's exploits, including this last battle, made him the model for generations of British naval officers. If you cannot accurately commemorate one of his greatest victories -- the one in which he gave his life for his country -- then why bother with the commemoration at all.
Besides -- the French have been getting their asses kicked regularly since at least the Battle of Agincourt. I'm sure they are used to being reminded of it by now.
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Steele For Maryland!
Maryland Republicans want Lt. Gov. Michael Steele
to run for Senate. They are likely to get their wish.
Prominent national Republican leaders are pressuring Mr. Steele to run. He has gotten entreaties from President Bush's top political strategist, Karl Rove, from Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and from Sen. Elizabeth Dole, North Carolina, on behalf of the party's senatorial campaign committee. The story is the same at the state level.
"I certainly am urging Lt. Gov. Steele to run," said John M. Kane, chairman of the Maryland Republican Party. "He would be a fresh choice, a fresh face for Maryland."
Mr. Kane believes Mr. Steele will run and if so does not expect other prominent Republicans will challenge.
Mr. Steele was mostly unknown outside Republican Party circles until Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. asked him to join the party ticket for the 2002 election. Since then, Mr. Steele has gotten a lot of press exposure, including national attention as the party's top elected black official.
Mr. Steele declined to be interviewed but said he is seriously considering the race. Pollsters and political analysts think he would be a strong candidate.
"The Republican Party at all levels would be well served to persuade Michael Steele that he ought to carry the Republican banner," said Keith Haller, president of Potomac Survey Research. A poll taken last month by the company showed Mr. Steele running about even with three Democrats -- U.S. Reps. Benjamin L. Cardin and Chris Van Hollen, and former Rep. Kweisi Mfume.
Mr. Cardin and Mr. Mfume, former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, have announced they're seeking the Democratic nomination, while Mr. Van Hollen is considering a bid.
Steele is a solid conservative on social issues, though he is not a supporter of the death penalty. While some analysts think his positions to the right of Gov. Erlich might hurt him, they also note that he will likely have a $15-18 million warchest with which to bolster his campaign.
Some on the Left are already attacking him, using two of the favorite strategies of Democrat bigots, the Catholic card and the Uncle Tom card. Here's hoping that a majority of Maryland voters are wiling to do what a majority of Maryland Republicans have long done -- set aside hate-based politics and give this well-qualified man their votes.
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Run, Kay, Run -- For The Senate
Bill Clements was elected governor of Texas -- the first Republican since Reconctruction -- because of a split among Democrats which was exacerbated by an ugly primary challenge to a sitting governor. The result, over the next two decades, was the rise of the GOP juggernaut in this state that we know and love, one which provided the launch-pad for the career of the current president. What does that bit of history have to tell us about the threatened primary fight between Governor Rick Perry and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison? Clements himself
provides us with the answers.
Make no mistake, if Texas Republicans have a blood bath in a primary battle between Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Gov. Rick Perry, we Republicans are providing the Democrats an opening for them to make a speedy comeback to political prominence. Further, we risk dividing our party for decades to come. This is serious business, and Republicans should take heed.
Some observers point out that Republicans have had contested gubernatorial primaries. It is true. I've been in several, including 1978. But those were tame. Every indication suggests a Perry-Hutchison primary would be something very different. Something no one but partisan Democrats would enjoy.
Discipline, focus and teamwork have been at the foundation of Republican success in recent years. Texas Republicans are the majority. We are elected to run the state government, and we win more and more local seats every year. In Harris County, important gains have been made locally. If we lose our focus, if we fight each other, we may end up with a result few experts believe is possible. Believe me, I have a unique perspective on this subject.
Clements then goes on to heartily endorse the reelection of both Perry and Hutchison to their current positions. I cannot help but agree with him. The seniority Hutchison has in the Senate is beneficial to both Texas and the United States as a whole. Perry has been, on balance, a good governor, providing fiscally conservative leadership for the state despite the back-stabbing betrayal of Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and a host of anti-homeowner legislators such who have steadfastly opposed property tax relief.
Nearly three decades ago, the Democrats gave Texas Republicans the opening they needed to become the governing party in this state. We Republicans must not do the same for the Democrats today. It is important that we heed the words of a man who we put in the Governor's Mansion for eight of the 27 years since the Democrats imploded, lest we fall victim to the same sort of internal conflict.
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What about Kay's campain promise to run only for 2 years. I like Kay I really do, but I can never support anyone who breaks a campain promise. It would be like voting for a liar. If term limitation was good enough then its good enough today.
Posted by: Liberty at Tue May 24 00:28:25 2005 (3D2Ir)
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Of course I meant 2 terms .. not Years
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By running, she would be submitting herself first to her party and then to the entire state of Texas. Each would be a referendum on the importance of that promise and whether or not the people think term limits are more important than the good of the state and country.
And i'll be honest -- I do not believe in term limits for any elected office.
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Half-Truth Harry Reid Trashed By Home State Paper
Nevada, like all 50 states, has two senators. John Ensign is a Republican in his first term, while Harry Reid, a Democrat, is the Senate Minority Leader. Which one do you suppose
the Las Vegas Review-Journal is praising for being reasonable, and which is accused of engaging in paranoid hysteria?
If Nevadans wanted an accurate, abridged version of the Senate's debate over filibusters and judicial nominations, they needed only to watch their two senators on Wednesday.
Admittedly, John Ensign, a Republican, and Harry Reid, a Democrat, have decidedly different roles in the showdown. Sen. Ensign, in his first term in the upper house, is a rank-and-file member of the majority, while Sen. Reid, the minority leader, is the obstructionist left's commander in chief. But their comments on the Senate floor provided a defining contrast amid the blustery arguments.
Majority Republicans want to change Senate rules to prevent Democrats from taking the unprecedented step of blocking President Bush's judicial nominations with the unlimited debate of a filibuster. The president and majority leaders believe that because these nominees have majority support in the Senate, each should be entitled to a confirmation vote.
At the root of this confrontation is Democrats' lingering bitterness over another election defeat. They simply can't get over the fact that a majority of Americans have given Republicans control of both the White House and Congress. So Sen. Reid and his dwindling number of followers, desperate to hand some kind of defeat to a president they despise, have characterized a handful of judicial nominees as right-wing extremists. Their rhetoric comes across as paranoid hysteria.
"If Republicans roll back our rights in this chamber, there will be no check on their power," Sen. Reid said in his speech. "And not just on judges. Their power will be unchecked on Supreme Court nominees, the president's nominees in general ... and legislation like Social Security privatization."
Unchecked power? That's how it's described when Republicans simply exercise the majority status bestowed upon them by the American people?
Sen. Ensign delivered measured, reasonable remarks. He lamented that qualified jurists are increasingly uninterested in federal appointments because of the nasty games played in Washington -- for example, when Sen. Reid said that one nominee's confidential FBI file contained troubling allegations. Sen. Ensign urged that both parties come together and devise a system in which every nominee -- whether put forth by a Republican or Democratic president -- gets the courtesy of a vote.
"It is important for the American people and for our justice system that the Senate be allowed to fulfill its constitutional obligation to give these nominees an up or down vote," Sen. Ensign said.
Sen. Ensign's arguments win this debate.
The issue here is clear -- a minority cannot be allowed to keep a majority from confirming judges because it is unwilling to accept the results of the last four American elections, in which the American people have placed the GOP in power. The time has come to slap-down the unAmerican element of the Left which refuses to allow the the President elected by the American people and the Senators elected by the American people to carry out their constitutionally prescribed duties.
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Exactly.
Anybody who keeps bringing up filibustering as if it has always been a tradition will surely be laughed at. The tradition didn't start until 2003 when 214 years of tradition of an "up or down" vote for the nominee has always been the case. It was the Democrats (i.e. Liberals) who broke the tradition by instituting a filibuster. The only tradition in the filibustering was the rule changes that occurred in 1806, 1917, and 1975 where it now requires 3/5 (60 Senators) vote to end the filibuster.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sun May 22 05:03:06 2005 (94LEQ)
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Sigh. The Democrats approved 206 out of 216 judges and you still whined about 10 left?
These are extremists that does not deserve to be on the bench. Not only that, they also ... will have a cloud over their heads wondering why so many hated them.
Jesus Christ.
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sun May 22 10:55:03 2005 (nWmj6)
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Please quit mouthing DNC talking points and instead deal withthe REAL statistics on the confirmation rate on Bush appellate nominees, which is 53%.
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/081710.php
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050511-085134-2511r.htm
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/004416.html
That compares to a post-WWII confirmation rate of 85.5 percent.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 22 12:15:19 2005 (pm2sM)
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These are biased blogs to support Conservatives, wacky Xians and nutty Republicans.
I rather to use mine than yours.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sun May 22 19:40:02 2005 (nWmj6)
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And yet the numbers are the numbers, and as such are neither biased nor lies.
And that you would prefer to compare apples to oranges rather than apples to apples speaks volumes about your level of integrity.
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In eight years, Clinton got 377 of his nominees approved by the Senate. In comparison, President Reagan got 382 nominees during his two terms and President Bush got ALL of his 193 nominees during his one term.
"In 1988, the Democrat-controlled Senate confirmed 41 Reagan judicial nominees," Hatch said. "After these four nominees are confirmed today, the Republican Senate this year will have confirmed 39 of President Clinton's judges, a nearly identical number."
And when the Senate (Republican controlled) approves the last 4 federal judges in October 4, 2000, the Democrats accused Republicans of holding up their judges.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/04/senate.judges.ap/
Ever since 2003, no judicial nominee who has enjoyed the support of a majority of senators has ever been denied an up-or-down vote. None.
This is what "R" is ignoring. The unprecedented filibustering. 10 nominees!
Here is a list of quotes from Democrats and Republicans who opposed judicial fillibusters in the past.
http://www.cornyn.senate.gov/record_jc.cfm?id=225342
Posted by: mcconnell at Mon May 23 03:18:08 2005 (z6Eaf)
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Who cares? In the past, the Republicans distorted the facts -- so can we.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Mon May 23 09:34:21 2005 (nWmj6)
Posted by: mcconnell at Mon May 23 16:13:24 2005 (z6Eaf)
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You knew! I am not going to look or pull the facts -- it is meaningless to do such a thing because you'll lie anyway.
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Mon May 23 19:34:12 2005 (nWmj6)
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Besides -- you've already admitted to being a bald-faced liar.
Why would we believe anything you tolks us in regard to this matter, since you've admitted you will lie about it to suit your purposes.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Mon May 23 23:18:04 2005 (50IQi)
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I am by no means a mind reader, "R". Either put up or shut up to support your arguments. Yet, you want the world to believe you based on what you say alone?
Get real.
Posted by: mcconnell at Tue May 24 03:16:04 2005 (Tbivg)
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I'll mention what is on the table, what I knew and what I read. Deal with it.
R-
Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Tue May 24 13:28:23 2005 (nWmj6)
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Ah, a typical response. So, that's how a Liberal works.
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May 21, 2005
Saying What Needs To Be Said!
I cannot begin to express my level of admiration for
Marc Epstein, Dean of Students at Jamaica High School in New York. He has come out and said to the public what many of us on the frontlines of the education wars have been saying privately for years -- bring back vocational education, and dump the notion that a college education is appropriate for every student.
In the old days, dropouts were an unfortunate-but-accepted part of school life. It was assumed that some kids didn't want to go to school, no matter what the authorities tried to do to keep them in.
But unskilled jobs were plentiful back then, and anyone willing to put in a hard day's work could find employment. Today, we can't expect that a class of illiterate hard-working ditch-diggers will make their way successfully through life in these United States.
Now I would have to differ with Epstein on that last point. There are plenty of such jobs out there -- why do you think we have 12 million border-jumping mexicans living and working in this country without legal documentation. They are here because there are those jobs out there, and people can work at them and make something of a living. It is a lousy way to get by, but these people are proof that you can get by that way. Of course, they have a work ethic, and the students who are not coming to school don't, believing that they can hustle their way on the streets to be the next Scarface or Snoop Dogg.
It's not unusual for our large high schools to have upwards of 300 students over the age of 17 who are still classified as freshman. If you add the 15- and 16-year-olds who are on that same treadmill, as much as one third of a 2,500-student enrollment is making little or no progress.
Many enter school late and leave early. It is left to the NYPD to round them up and bring them to truancy centers. Rarely do any of them reform.
I teach on a campus that has only grades 9 & 10 -- grades 11 & 12 are on another campus (this way we qualify as one 4000 student 5A school in football). I cannot begin to tell the problems I have with students who call themselves "freshmores". I would guess that we have about 200 of them at my school. They are in their second year of high school, but started that second year with fewer than the six credits required to be classified as grade 10. We spend an inordinate amount of time and money trying to keep these kids in school -- "credit recovery" labs where they can do the on computer the alleged equivalent ofwhat they wouldn't do in class, a special school program for them that keeps a very few in school only half a day, and other programs that keep our drop-out rate lower than 5%.
But the real problem is that these are kids who, for the most part, are not academically inclined. They need a high school diploma and some marketable job skills. Sadly, our career education program has only a limited number of slots, so acceptance into the classes is with teacher approval only. That eliminates from consideration any student with an attendance, grade, or discipline problem -- the very students who might most benefit from being in such classes. I suspect the same is true at Epstein's school, which leads him to the following conclusion.
So what is to be done? For starters, small technical-training programs that point kids towards acquiring a trade, a state license and a GED are in place. But at present there are few seats, limiting the large numbers who might thrive in this setting.
Bill Clinton stated, "College isn't for everyone." The time for tracking kids based on interests and abilities is long overdue.
It shouldn't be viewed as discrimination. We're warehousing tens of thousands of kids until the age of 21, when they have made no progress since coming to high school. This breeds crime, wastes valuable education dollars and in the end leaves these kids with the same skills they'd have had if they'd dropped out after the eighth grade.
We've spent the past four decades killing these kids with kindness. Enough is enough.
Yes, indeed. Enough is enough. Let's make the commitment to track such students early (their behavior is generally evident before they enter high school) and put them into programs that fit their needs. We do that with special education students as a matter of law, even when they are mainstreamed into regular classes. Why not do the same for those who have clearly demonstrated that they need something other than a college prep program and a university education? It isn't leaving children behind -- it is getting them to success by a different route.
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I agree. We should bring back vocational education. And we should also bring back our manufacturing base.
I really don't think that the Whole World should be Made In China.
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Greg: You know as well as I do that what Epstein said isn't PC in the least. We have to believe that ALL can go to college and ALL students can do honors level work, or even AP level work. My district believes this, and there was even an op/ed in my local paper today advocating this.
Yeesh.
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EXACTLY! Our one-size-fits-all education system is hurting so many kids who have legitimate interests outside the scope of pre-college preparation. Not meeting the needs of 70% of the student body is discrimination, and it violates the trust of taxpayers. One colleague of mine suggested that the reason US schools have moved away from vo-tech educational programs is that we lack the unions/trade-craft organizations that exist in areas such as Western Europe. No one (but a few of us) demands high quality vo-tech training, so no one is getting it. Why parents aren't screaming bloody-murder is beyond my comprehension. You are right on the mark, RR.
Posted by: Mustang at Sun May 22 02:47:21 2005 (nP7cz)
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On the other hand, I wouldn't want a system like they have in Germany, where kids are locked into certain career paths at a young age. Maybe not everyone is cut out for college, but people should be free to explore their options and make their own choices, not have their future determined by a patriarchal educational establishment that tracks their performance and doles out careers.
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Not doling out careers, or even "locking in" tracks -- but putting them on a track that seems to meet with their interests and desires.
After all, I'll never forget one of my students, not really inclined to do school work, telling me in an essay that she wanted to be "either a pediatrician or a nail technician." She lacked the aptitude to do the first -- why shouldn't she have been in a program that would have her licensed as the latter (or as a cosmetologist) by age 18?
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RWR,
Your idea of vo-tech will be a dismal failure. Take your example of the nail technician. In this day and age, such a person needs to understand enough chemistry and biology to read the material safety data sheet can comes with all the chemicals they use. They need to know enough biology to understand the standard precautions used to prevent the spread of disease among customers.
They also need to under return on investment, the time value of money, accounting, finance, marketing, demographics, tax laws, etc.
If someone is not smart enough to pass a basic arithmatic class, they are probably never going to be able to stick with any such vocation.
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And I don't disagree with you on the things that they need to understand -- which is why any vocational curriculum has to include all the academic basics. Neither Epstein or I suggest that there be no academic component tosuch vocational programs -- what we are both saying is that the stresses of such a curriculum need to be different.
Besides -- let's take that nail-tech example I used. The training program she would get would include all of those things you mention, On the other hand, she wouldn't be expected to take calculus or physics, and the other "academic" subjects would be taught with a spin towards their practical applications rather than as a college prep course.
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From an article on a vocational (auto shop) course: "(Students) hoisted cars on lifts, removed wheels and welded metal – heavy duties for teenagers at 7:40 a.m. Such dedication is the marvel of teachers who fight to keep students focused in their academic classes. 'When I come here, I know exactly what I'm doing,' said Raymond Butcher, a 17-year-old junior. 'This is what feeds my brain.'"
It's hard to believe that some of this spirit wouldn't spill over into the academic courses, too. But, as the article points out, programs like this are being shut down more than they are being started up.
More here:
http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2003_07_01_photoncourier_archive.html#105854428715183453
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Honor The Heroes
When Charles Bieger, a St. Louis trunk salesman, died in 1930, he was buried beneatha family headstone that bore only his last name. Nothing more indicated that this man was decorated for heroism during the Civil War.
There is now a new tombstone on his grave.
Charles Bieger
Medal of Honor
Pvt, Co D 4 Mo Cavalry
Civil War
I encourage folks to read the article, as it talks about some fine people who work to make sure that every Medal of Honor winner has his heroism commemorated. It also provides a really interesting bit of history about the award.
But the most interesting part of the article is this.
Descendants of Bieger don't know why his grave wasn't marked. The Post-Dispatch obituary on Bieger mentions the medal in its headline and says he was buried with military honors.
Surviving evidence also suggests that Bieger was modest about his bravery. An article on his exploits that was published in 1927, when he was 83, notes that the reporter had to keep directing the interview back to the fateful battle. Bieger wanted to talk about how he helped police crack open an old trunk that was used to hide a body in a notorious murder downtown.
"It required about 27 direct questions to worm this interesting information out of the veteran," reporter Robertus Love noted in his article in the old St. Louis Globe-Democrat.
Bieger, a native of Wiesbaden, Germany, immigrated to St. Louis with his family in 1857 and joined the Union cavalry in 1862. He was 19 when he accompanied an unsuccessful thrust from Memphis, Tenn., into Mississippi in February 1864.
The column was supposed to meet Gen. William T. Sherman's infantry at the rail junction of Meridian, Miss. But halfway there, the cavalry ran into a force led by the wily Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest.
On Feb. 22, 1864, the two sides fought a series of galloping clashes near Okolona, Miss. At Ivey's Hill, nine miles northwest of town, Capt. Frederick Hunsen was unhorsed and surrounded.
Bieger rode through gunfire, offered his horse to Hunsen and steadied the captain's wounded mount. Together they fled to safety.
The fight was a Confederate victory. The cavalry limped back to Memphis, forcing Sherman to withdraw from Meridian.
"Forrest licked us that day. Licked us good and plenty," Bieger said in 1927.
He returned to St. Louis after the war ended and eventually opened a trunk shop at Broadway and Market Street. (Forrest returned to Tennessee, where he briefly served as the first grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.)
In 1895, Hunsen wrote a letter detailing Bieger's exploits. Congress awarded him the Medal of Honor in 1897.
T learn more about the Congressional Medal of honor and the heroes whose actions are honored with the nation's highest military honor, visit the Congressional Medal of Honor Society.
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I remember reading somewhere that Nathan B. Forrest is said to have had more horses killed from under him than any other man in the Civil War. He is also said to have personally killed more individual soldiers as well.
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Where Are The Feminists?
Out complaining that Bush Administration is the focus of evil in the world, no doubt. Certainly too busy to be concerned about
this new report from Freedom House.
Women face a pervasive lack of freedom in the Arab world and no country in the region meets international standards for protecting their rights, human rights activists charged on Saturday.
Freedom House, a U.S.-based group, said a study of countries in the broader Middle East and North Africa had found that women were disadvantaged in nearly all areas of society, including justice, the economy, education, healthcare and media.
The study, which was distributed at a World Economic Forum regional meeting in Jordan, called for Arab governments to eliminate discriminatory laws and remove barriers to women participating in politics and business.
Sameena Nazir, editor of the report, said such moves were necessary both as a matter of principle and in order to make moves towards democracy in the region meaningful.
"Women are half the population of the Middle East," she told Reuters in an interview. "If they are not part of the democratisation process in a full capacity, the process will be incomplete.
The study ranked 16 Arab countries, the West Bank and Gaza on various areas such as access to justice, economic rights and social and cultural rights.
Only three countries -- Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria -- scored at or above a level described as reflecting "imperfect adherence" to universally accepted rights standards in more than one category.
Many countries, notably Saudi Arabia and some fellow Gulf states, had very low scores.
So while the supposed crusaders for women's rights are out here complaining that there are folks here who want a minor child to get parental consent before an abortion (just like she would need for any other surgical procedure), women in Saudi Arabia cannot even get medical treatment at a hospital for life-threatening emergencies without the consent of a male relative.
But I guess the NOW hags have their priorities -- consequence-free sex for children matters so much more than the lives and health of women.
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Pay attention, Greg, NOW is an organization based in this country focused on American policies, not the world.
Get a clue, again!
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However, they do deal with American policy, and one would hope they would push for policies which encourage the real rights of women -- not the right of twelve-year-old to sex free of consequences and surgery free of parental involvement.
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oH, lord. You're exaggerating, fella.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sun May 22 10:55:53 2005 (nWmj6)
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raped at the age of 15 and twice at 18, i would most certainly have opted for an abortion had i become pregnant my sophomore year of high school, and i most certainly wouldn't have wanted to tell anyone.
besides, isn't all this CHRISTIANITY REIGNS/we need to reinstate religion where the government is concerned stuff signifying a loyalty to your own country?--making sure your voice is heard trying to help your own country (in your eyes--i'm atheist and respect every single religion's right to co-exist peacefully...but am determined that christianity doesn't belong in matters of justice) is just as selfish as american feminists' focus on what's happening in our homeland.
besides, women in america have helped women all over the world in many ways, big and small, liberate themselves. we will do it again.
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by the way, "at (date) (time)" is incorrect--it should be "at (time), (date)" or "at (time)" and "on (date)."
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It is "Freedom Of", Not "Freedom From"
I don't know if I should weep over
this story, or whether I should engage in encourage massive rioting in the streets over the disrespect shown to my religious faith. In either event, I know I should be outraged over the rape of the First Amendment by both the school district and the judge in this case.
A public school prohibited a second grader from singing a religious song at a talent show, prompting a lawsuit Friday alleging violation of the girl's constitutional rights.
A federal judge declined an emergency request to compel Frenchtown Elementary School to allow 8-year-old Olivia Turton to sing "Awesome God" at the Friday night show, but allowed the lawsuit to go forward.
School officials in the western New Jersey community had said the performance would be inappropriate at a school event. A message seeking comment from a school board attorney about the judge's ruling was not immediately returned.
The decision by U.S. District Judge Stanley R. Chesler in Trenton to consider the case later came just hours before Olivia had hoped to sing the pop song by the late Rich Mullins.
One verse has these lyrics: "Our God is an awesome God/He reigns from heaven above/with wisdom, pow'r and love/Our God is an awesome God."
It is implicit in the nature of a talent show that the students, not the school, select their songs. Therefore there is no question of the school "imposing" or "endorsing" anything. There is nothing "inappropriate" in the song -- unless one accepts the warped notion that allowing someone to acknowledge their religious beliefs is inappropriate. However, such a position would put you directly in conflict with the Constitutional prohibition on "prohibitting the free exercise" of religion.
What makes me saddest is that I somehow doubt that the school would have stopped this little girl from getting up on stage and parading around dressed like a whore and singing "Bootylicious". And as the story points out, the school has no problem allowing in a witchcraft ceremony during the talent show, drawn from Macbeth, despite the fact that witchcraft is ALSO a religion.
Such situations sometimes stir in me a disturbing thought. Maybe the Islamists have it right -- maybe we Christians need to take to the streets and leave a path of death and destruction through the cities of this country in order to get the respect from government that our numbers merit and the First Amendment supposedly grants us. But I know that is Satan -- and my own sinful nature -- talking.
We Christians follow the Prince of Peace. He has commanded us to turn the other cheek. He has warned us that we will be reviled by those who reject him, and will be persecuted for the sake of his name. So while we will fight in the halls of governemnt for our rights, and pursue them in the courts, true Christians will not engage in the savage behavior we have seen of late from the intolerant practitioners of a certain false religion.
For Jesus Christ is our Lord.
And Our God IS An Awsome God!
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Amen!
Sad to see this happening.
The girl has every right to sing that song just as a student decides to gather with other students to pray on public school grounds or at graduation, even a speech.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sat May 21 04:55:05 2005 (PYrGt)
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Like all other gods your god is merely a human construct that you choose to believe in. Keep your fairy stories for yourselves, and to your selves and leave the rest of us alone!!!!!!!!
Posted by: at Sat May 21 06:39:31 2005 (aHbua)
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Hey, if the girl wants to sing that song, so be it. He is an awesome God.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sat May 21 09:16:54 2005 (PYrGt)
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To the coward who will not even put their name to their insult directed at the religious beliefs of most Americans;
1) Your belief that God is a human construct is nothing more than your personal construct that you choose to believe in -- keep it out of my life and my government.
2) The First Amendment protects out freedom of speech, guaranteeing that we do not have to remain silent simply because some arrogant SOB doesn't want to hear what we believe.
3) The First Amendment protects our freedom to practice our religion without interference from government -- or from scum-sucking SOBs who wish to drive Chistians back into the catacombs.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sat May 21 11:59:20 2005 (lZxXq)
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Greg, you're pitiful.
Go and visit McWeenie's blog -- he advocated editing the films, therefore he does not support the freedom of speech.
And the guy is right -- God is simply a figment of your imagination.
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Whatever McConnell may or may not have said on his site regarding some film or another (and I don't pretend to know what you are talking about), that does not negate the validity of an argument based upon both freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
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Exactly, RWR.
As for R, he missed the "for our personal freedom" in our homes to do what we want with those movies...not re-sell them altered. But R has every right to his own figment of his own imagination thinking that I do not support freedom of speech.
He couldn't be more wrong.
The girl has every right to sing that song as a choice from her repertoire list of songs. When kids sing about the glory of God, makes me smile. Goosebumps as well.
Posted by: mcconnell at Sun May 22 04:06:51 2005 (94LEQ)
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When you edite something that is not your own to start with, you ruin the art.
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Maybe it wasn't art to begin with?
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The lawsuit against the Frenchtown district is correct. But when you talk about "leaving a path of death and destruction" in order to "get the respect that your numbers merit," then coyly disclaim the thought, you remind us that we'd be much worse off with Christian theocrats in charge.
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I'm trying to draw a comparison between how Christians act and how the Islamists act. That you cannot see the point tells me that you are either a willfully blind anti-Christian bigot or an idiot.
And given how well the US did under us theocrats for most of the first two centuries of its existance, I think it is fair to say that you atheocrats have screwed it up rather seriously in the last 40.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Sun May 22 14:02:42 2005 (pm2sM)
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mcweenie, it is an art whether u like it or not.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sun May 22 19:40:56 2005 (nWmj6)
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Art is only to the eye of the beholder. It doesn't mean that art is art for art's sake. Having a framed picture of a dog poo and calling it "art" relates to the state of mind of that person who created it. Certainly, to many, it's definitely not art.
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If you dislike it, it is an art because you already expressed it with your first reaction. Think hard a little more. Oh! I forgot -- the Xians do not think stuff like that.
R-
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R--you're forgetting one small detail. if editing strips of film that arent yours to begin with is wrong, then we would not be able to enjoy "gay bar" by electric six. more specifically, we wouldn't be able to chortle at tony blair and dubya seemingly propositioning each other.
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If you want to consider doggy poo as "art," more power to you.
Anyhow, that's not what I'm here to discuss but RWR's "Freedom of" on a more intelligent level.
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Do any of you alleged "Christians" even remember why the Puritans were so willing to leave England??
Answer truthfully and you might begin to understand why the first amendment also implies "freedom from" religion. Idiots.
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Yes -- the left England so they could set up their own little theocracy, in which the laws were made according to their religious beliefs and not those of a tyrrant king.
One of their customs was for the pastor to preach a sermon befor ethe elections, in which he laid out which candidate was more Godly and therefore more willing of the vote of the people -- an endorsement which usually resulted in the election of his candidates.
It was illegal to be a Catholic or a Quaker in Massachussetts or Plymouth Colony, and Jesuits (or other priests ) were subject to a death sentence.
Is that a system which you would be willing to return to?
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Hey why not I hear the inquisition was a real riot too?
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Both Christians and Muslims committed atrocities. However, it was Pope Paul II who made a public apology of these terrible deeds against humanity during the Christian's multiple crusades and inquisitions.
http://biblia.com/islam/pope.htm
However, it was also the Moslem Turks who wanted to continue their expansion across the world that helped sparked the Christian crusades. Yet, people continue to ignore the fact that "Muslims won more battles and eventually the war, seizing Palestine and Jerusalem for hundreds of years... so, they had more opportunities to commit atrocities." - http://biblia.com/islam/pope.htm
"In Islam the problem is accentuated because the Ruler of a Muslim country is at the same time the Political and Religious leader... starting with Muhammed himself who personally fought many wars to defend and expand Islam, and of course he is the model for all the Muslims... and because the final aim of Islam is to conquer the whole world for Allah... by peaceful means, or by war, as started by the Prophet himself."
http://biblia.com/islam/islam.htm
Two dark history, however, the Pope apologized for past grieviances.
Where's the Muslim's apology?
Right.
And who would say that Muslims everywhere won't try this again to take control of the world as long as they hold up Islam as their answer and excuse to take over the world?
Right.
Decide carefully who you chose. I choose on the side of freedom and freedom from tyranny, repression and violation of human decency. Islamic-govt controlled countries do not exactly inspire my confidence for obvious reasons in those areas.
Please, move to that country if you so hold them to high regards. Call your friendly terrorists your pals and buddies since you people seem to be quiet about this, wouldn't this be a confirmation (taking a jab at Newsweek) of their alliances?
Right.
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Islam is only 1,300 years old. It is going through the parenthesis stage. In time, they will water down its beliefs, just likst the Xian did in 1700s. It takes time.
Plus, I do not believe in Pope John Paul II's apology.
Vatican is filled with riches that were stolen from thousands of families across the world -- return them back to the owners with a sincere apology would be in a good order.
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I am sure the "watered down" version of Islam includes beheadings, jihads, 72 virgins, martydoms, holy koran (itself, not allowing any type of desecration), stonings, chopping off of hands for thefts, instruction to take over the world and so on....
The problem is, "R", we're in the modern age of nuclear and chemical warfare. And seeing such overt zealousness among Islamic countries shows how alarming it is. They are constantly decrying "death to America" or proclaim "Jihad" against America and Americans.
This is what YOU do not see "R". They will strike at us and any countries they consider as "infidels" in their eyes.
This is the nature of the beast when it comes to Islam and their beliefs.
You had better hope that this "watered down" version happens over a speeded up time scale of a few hundred years in a space of several years.
Not gonna happen. Not with all this modern weapons available.
Nada. The only thing that protected America is the ocean expanses. Soon, that won't matter.
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I'm actually inclined to agree that the girl has the right to sing the song. I'd have to hear more information since the writer of the article is so unfamiliar with the case that he didn't know that the "verse" he quoted was the "chorus." I do however know the song and there's nothing offensive about it. It is however interesting to note that most of the people decrying this case have remained silent on a judge preventing Wiccan parents from raising their child in a "non-mainstream religion." See when I seek to defend the freedom of religion (which does, by it's nature, require a freedom from religion) I don't limit my fight to religions that I consider "mainstream."
I am troubled by the call to violence offered in this post (despite a weak attempt to retract it). This is what we need to fear my friends. What these nutcases can't accomplish with legislation they WILL accomplish with violence.
Posted by: dolphin at Sat May 28 05:53:52 2005 (TGO2t)
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Actually, I plan on posting on that particular case as soon as i get done mowing the lawn (I'm on lunch break right now). I'm with you on it.
And there was no threat of violence advocated. There was an explanation of why there are not acts of violence, despite the fact that a certain other religious faith, accorded protected class status by ur government despite the fact that a large portion of it is making war on the United States, clearly does advocate and carries out precisely such acts of violence.
It isn't the Christians you have to worry about, my friend -- it is the folks who TODAY execute homosexuals under religious law, and who will gladly impose such laws here if given the chance. It isn't Christians, the folks who built this country into the beacon of freedom that it is today, who will impose religious tyrrany. But you folks are simply too blind to see.
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It isn't the Christians you have to worry about, my friend -- it is the folks who TODAY execute homosexuals under religious law
I know it's not the Christians I have to worry about. It's the people like yourself who call themselves christians but are anything but. It's not the folks who excute gay people TODAY in their respective countries that I ahve to worry about. It's those, again like yourself, who want to excute gay people in THIS country TOMMORROW (metaphorically speaking, not actually tommorow the day).
I'm curious how you'd feel if the child wanted to read a passage from her favorite book "Heather has two Mommies" at the talent show.
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My only objection is that reading from ANY book really falls outside of the usual definition of "talent" that is used as a criteria.
And for the record, i'd also make that argument about getting up on stage to recite multiplication tables or disect a frog.
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And as for the execution comment, I will make a couple of points.
1) Not my position at all.
2) If I made a similar comment on your site, you would call it a personal attack and delete it. I guess you are simply a hypocrite.
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Wrong on two counts.
A, I would not consider the comment an insult and it would not be deleted. B, even if I did it would not be hypocritical. When in Rome, do as the Romans. I conduct myself as appropriate for the site I visit. Now at any point that you wish to establish rules for posting on your site I will be certain to abide by them to the letter, something you refuse to do at my site.
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Acually, i do abide by them. You simply apply a different standard to those with whom you disagree -- ow who you wish to libel.
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Yes a different standard for those I disagree with, unless of course they abide by the posting policy then they get treated just liek everybody else. Take for instance yourself. You frequented my site once upon a time. Post MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY comments. I disagreed with 99.99999% of them. How many were deleted prior to you becoming hostile?? Answer me that. Tell me how many were deleted. Go ahead and take a peek and tell me how many, they are all still up there (well at least those since June 27, 2004 when I switched from Haloscan to dotcomments.
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You know it's interesting. If I'm this big bad monster out to silence all opposition, it's very interesting to note that despite plenty of disagreeing voices on my site, you are the only one that got deleted...
Could it possibly be that you're argument falls completely apart under scrutity.
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Given your clear pattern of lies, I don't see why anyone would have any reason to believe your statement above.
And given your decision to "comment spam" my site with around 20 identical messages (I didn't take an exact count), you've more than demonstrated your maturity level -- especially since I never made the demand that you claim I did.
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Molester Marries Victim
This story makes the best case in the world for reviving the old practice of shunning.
Mary Kay Letourneau and her former sixth-grade student were married Friday night in a tightly guarded ceremony, nearly a year after she was released from prison for raping him.
Letourneau, 43, and Vili Fualaau, 22, have been in the spotlight since she was imprisoned in 1997. But when she was released last August, the couple — who have two daughters together — reunited.
I've read, watched, and written my last about this tawdry situation. It is my hope that Vili turns out to be an abusive spouse, and that some night he gives to her the sanction that all child molesters deserve.
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I don't see Concerned Women of America, Focus on the Family, Traditional Values Coalition, Jerry FAlwell, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Bill Frist and Rick Santorum up in arms about it!
When gays get to marry, you whine BIG TIME! But a molester married a victim, a huge hollow silence on your part.
Go figure.
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Sat May 21 13:08:33 2005 (nWmj6)
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Hey, if you don't see the condemnation on my part, you must be blind.
And all those groups are on record opposing child molestation.
But all of us are also opposed to the redefinition of a social institution by judges over and against the will of the American people.
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who said that we are out to redefine the social institution? We did not.
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But that is precisely what permitting homosexual marriage does -- it redefines the institution from its traditional fom in Western Culture ofone man/one woman to something else.
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Please. IN the Wester Culture was defined by whom? The Christians. If they reserved the right to do so, then so do we.
Basically, it is not out to define things as you would like it to be -- it is about the license to get our rights in everything else. Jerkwad.
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Defined by Christians, by the pagan Romans, and by every pre-Christian culture of Europe that I am aware of.
In other words, your goal is redefining marriage in Western Culture from what it was in.
Which means you are a liar, because you denied that such a redefinition was the goal of the Homosexualists (the homosexual equivalent of Islamists).
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In short, you won't find a singe Western society -- before or after Christianity came to dominate Europe -- that accepted the notion of homosexual marriage as a legal construct.
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Again, you neglected the facts. Look at the ancient Romans and Greek, they do it openly until the Xians came in power and scared the humans into submission to repress their openness of sexuality.
Shameful.
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Not homosexual marriage.
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And since elsewhere you have admitted that you will gladly lie in order to win your point, why should we believe you, anyway?
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I never admitted anything -- nothing new with you twisting words.
My point is that each side lied frequently but do not badger one side all th etime, nitwit.
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This is about the traditional instituion of marriage and "R" wants to talk about sex during the Roman and Greek times?
I agree, Greg. I emphatically agree.
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Religion Of Peace Watch
Once again, we see
just how peaceful your typical Islamist is.
Muslim protesters today called for the bombing of New York in a demonstration outside the US embassy in London.
There were threats of "another 9/11" from militants angry at reports of the desecration of the Koran by US troops in Iraq.
Some among the crowd burned an effigy of Tony Blair on a crucifix and then set fire to a Union flag and a Stars and Stripes.
Led by a man on a megaphone, they chanted, "USA watch your back, Osama is coming back" and "Kill, kill USA, kill, kill George Bush". A small detail of police watched as they shouted: "Bomb, bomb New York" and "George Bush, you will pay, with your blood, with your head."
Demonstrators in Grosvenor Square, some with their faces covered with scarves, waved placards which included the message: "Desecrate today and see another 9/11 tomorrow."
The demonstration as not organized by extremist groupt -- it was set up by some British groups that I understand are quite mainstream, the Muslim Council for Britain and the Muslim Parliamentary Association of the UK.
Of course, they brought in a guy who should not have been permitted to leave Gitmo before receiving his 72 virgins.
Former Guantanamo Bay detainee Martin Mubanga told the crowd he had seen a copy of the Koran "desecrated" during his time at Camp Delta.
He said: "This was one of the methods they used, throwing the Koran, my Koran, on the floor in my cell."
How many Bibles -- heck, how many Korans -- were desecrated and destroyed on 9/11? That didn't seem to stop your heroes, so I don't particularly sympathize.
More at GOPBloggers.
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problem is that they don't know they'll be received by 72 gay virgins when they die.
Posted by: mcconnell at Fri May 20 17:27:21 2005 (d7On1)
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McWeenie, so do you. You're delusional in your own religion -- thinking your path is right.
Greg, again, that is not the whole point -- it is not the desceration of the Koran that made them react -- it was the final straw that broke the camel -- we treated them badly.
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Frankly, my attitude is "Screw the Islamists" as long as they continue to make unprovoked war agaunst the US -- and against Christianity, as they have since the founding of their cult by the false Prophet Muhammad.
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Actually, it is their own culture (Islam) that treated their ownselves badly....not the United States.
In the Middle East and elsewhere in Muslim run countries, Women have no rights are abused systematically. There is a caste system (India, basically). Human rights issue is not a concern (except through the UN are they hypocrites with the "holier-than-thou" attitude). Kill anybody who re-convert to another religion (other than Islam) or loses the faith. Desecrate the koran and they get executed or get jailed for life. They persecute and execute gays to an extreme. Execute those who committed infidelity. They persecute these people severely.
In short, those countries are just one big honking cult.
In Saudi Arabia on April 16, 2001, five homosexuals were sentenced to 2,600 lashes and 6 years in prison, and four others to 2,400 lashes and 5 years’ imprisonment for “deviant sexual behavior.†Amnesty International subsequently reported that six men were executed on charges of deviant sexual behavior, some of which were related to their sexual orientation, but it was uncertain whether the six men who were executed were among the nine who were sentenced to flogging and imprisonment in April.
According to Amnesty International, at least three homosexual men and two lesbians were publicly beheaded in January 1990. The Islamic Penal Law Against Homosexuals, approved in July 1991 and ratified in November of that year, is simple. Article 110: “Punishment for sodomy is killing; the Sharia judge decides on how to carry out the killing.†Article 129: “Punishment for lesbianism is one hundred (100) lashes for each party.†Article 131: “If the act of lesbianism is repeated three times and punishment is enforced each time, the death sentence will be issued the fourth time.â€
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=5704
Hey, if we did any of that here in the United States on a systematic basis we'd be the pariah of the world (well, we already are in a way without even doing any of that).
And here we have people complaining about how bad America is. And let's not get into this "Sharia" thing in Canada, too.
Please get your reality straight. Your complaints are entirely misplaced. Start rooting for the rights of others in other countries for a change.
If you don't like it, please move to a Muslim country and you'll find out exactly what persecution really means.
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You used that nickname, and also made an inappropriate demeaning comment.
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Death Of A Storied Warship
They've sent the USS America to the bottom.
The Navy sent the retired USS America aircraft carrier to its final resting place at the bottom of the sea Saturday, in a closely guarded series of explosions that the Navy didn't announce until days later.
The 84,000-ton, 1,048-foot warship, which served the Navy for 32 years, thus became the first U.S. carrier to be sunk since 1951, and the largest warship ever sunk.
"Explosions were internal to the ship and allowed a controlled flooding," said Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman with the Naval Sea Systems Command. She declined to say where the ship now sits, except that it was 50 nautical miles - or about 58 miles - off the coast, and more than 6,000 feet below the surface.
The Navy previously said the final explosions would be off North Carolina.
Before it sank, it also served as a target for a series of explosions over 25 days designed to help in the making of the of the Navy's next generation carrier, the CVN-21, now being designed at the Northrop Grumman Newport News shipyard.
It is always a sad thing to see such vessels go into the great beyond. Not every ship can be saved as a museum, though there was hope for USS America. I have to say I agree fully with this former member of the ship's crew.
"Very depressing," said Lee McNulty, a New Jersey resident and president of the USS America Foundation, which wanted to turn the ship into a museum. "Not a day goes by that I don't think about it. I just can't believe that she sunk. She's gone. Of all the carriers, that one should have been saved, just for the name of the America."
Before she the last explosions were detonated, the ship was given an appropriate farewell.
"A solemn moment of silence was held as the aircraft carrier ex-America slipped quietly beneath the waves," Dolan told the USS America Carrier Veterans Association on Monday. "We thank and honor all the veterans of the USS America who lived and fought for freedom and democracy aboard this majestic vessel."
Farewell, USS America. We honor you, and those who served aboard you.
USS America Museum Foundation
USS America Carrier Veterans Foundation
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Revenge Of The Atheocrats
And here I thought they claimed to be
persecuted by all of us awful Christians.
"Still, it's a great time to be an atheist," said Fitzgerald, who was raised a Baptist in Fresno. "Five hundred years ago, we'd be burned for what we were thinking. Fifty years ago, we'd lose our jobs. But today, we're free to be atheists.
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LetÂ’s Kill Us Some Saudis For Jesus!
Well, since there seems to be a consensus among the press that the riots over reported Koran desecration were
understandable and the fault of the US, I think it is important that we apply the principle to the holy texts of all faiths when they are abused or disrespected as a matter of official government policy.
As such, I am starting the "Slay a Saudi for the Savior" campaign, and expect the support of every liberal and Muslim out there. This is simply a proportional response to this report.
Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious rights campaigners.
Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military.
"The Muslims respect the Koran far more than Christians respect the Bible," says Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in Australia.
During the 1990s, Nalliah spent two years in Saudi Arabia, where he was deeply involved with the underground church.
"It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week.
"If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could even be executed."
And since there are constant complaints about the abuse of Muslim women, how about this Saudi abuse of a nun?
A friend of his, a fellow Christian in Saudi Arabia, told him of witnessing a particularly unpleasant incident involving a Catholic nun.
The man had been in the transit lounge at the airport in Jeddah - the gateway to Mecca, used by millions of Hajj pilgrims each year - when a nun arrived at the customs desk.
"Some fool [travel agent] had put her on a transit flight in Jeddah. You don't do that to a Catholic nun, because she's going to be tormented."
"They opened her bag, went through her prayer book, put the prayer book through the shredder ... took the crucifix off her neck and smashed it, tormented her for many minutes."
Eventually another Muslim official objected to their conduct, came across and "rescued" her, pointing out to the customs officials that she was not entering the country but only in transit and would be leaving on the next plane.
I demand that the Muslim pigs involved suffer death by beheading for their abuse of this woman of God – right in the middle of Saint Peter’s Square.
I declare a Crusade against the infidels who would dare defile crucifix or shred a prayer book or Bible. We must avenge these insults to the Christian faith.
Death to the Islam!
Death to Mecca!
Death to Saudi Arabia!
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Uh -- anyway, now that I've recovered my sense of proportion, I hope folks realize that this is not my actual belief. The above is a satirical piece. Unfortunately, the outrages committed by the Saudis are not something I've made up out of whole cloth. They are real.
That is why I urge the State Department to impose serious sanctions against Saudi Arabia and any other Muslim country that violates the rights of Christians. After all -- Christianity deserves at least as much respect as Islam.
And to the Islamist fifth-columnists working at CAIR --you'll get my support for your resolution when you get Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Muslim world to apply the same standard to Christian practices and beliefs.
UPDATE -- 5/20/05: Just in case folks didn't like my sources, here is a piece from today's Wall Street journal on the same Saudi policy regarding the Bible -- including this anecdote.
The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible.
I wonder what Ms. Azza Basarudin (from the post below) feels about such cases?
More at GOPBloggers.
UPDATE -- 5/23/05 -- More on Saudi Bible desecration here.
UPDATE -- 5/26/05 -- Don't look now, but it isn't just Bibles that the Islamist Horde wants to ban and destroy -- now they want to confiscate Webster's Dictionary for defining anti-Semitism in a way that they don't like.
The latest edition of the dictionary "Webster" identified "anti- Semitism" as opposing Zionism and sympathizing with Israel's enemies, which showed "the racial trend and scientific distortion," officials of the Office of the Arab Boycott of Israel (OABI) were quoted as saying.
Ignorant cretins!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?hp&ex=1116561600&en=8701738ac057aebe&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Do I see you complain about us abusing the detainees? No. You whined that Newsweek told not-so-real story while you did not complain about this.
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Yawn.
If you cannot tell the difference between the abuse of all Christians based upon their religion from harsh conditions imposed upon illegal combattants who make war on the US but are not covered by the Geneva Conventions, then there really isn't any basis for us to have a conversation.
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And by the way -- the traditional punishment for such persons under US military law was a drumhead court martial by the ranking officer of the unit that captured them, followed by an immediate execution by haning of firing squad (at the officer's discretion) -- without appeal, as the failure of the unlawful combattant to wear the uniformand insignia of a lawful fighting force was a violation of all laws of war.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at Thu May 19 23:28:15 2005 (6TPbG)
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Please! A cab driver is illegal combatant?! Get a clue!
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Posted by: Me is the Ridor at Fri May 20 07:51:46 2005 (nWmj6)
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He did say "uniform insignia" and "laws of war", both conditions outlined in the Geneva Convention.
Perhaps if the cab driver is a Muslim and is a terrorist supporter who is awaiting orders, then we'll get him.
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Are there any gay deaf illegal combatants down in Gitmo?
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Hube, who would really care?
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mcweenie, you contradict yourself. As always.
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R, no contradiction on my part.
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Christian Jihad -- kick ass!
Posted by: Steel at Tue May 24 07:05:03 2005 (7YewN)
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